No, I've pretty much found it repulsive my entire life.
this post was submitted on 26 Jun 2023
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Fair enough. I guess it was so common when I was growing up that I never realised it.
I don't know how old you are, but I grew up before the smoking ban. It was pretty common, and I had several relatives who smoked, but neither of my parents did. Smells bad and makes it hard to breathe, so I've always hated it.
Banning smoking in restaurant is one of the best change o have witnessed while growing up. Truly marvelous.
For real, it made me incredibly happy.
I was born in 85, my parents were smokers. Smoked in the house, smoked in the car, we sat in the smoking section in restaurants, it was awful and I hated it. My husband smoked for a long time, started when hr was like 16,17 and quit during the pandemic because we were planning on getting pregnant. It's been great. No more annoying smoke breaks and best of all no more wretched cigarette smells
My husband was also a smoker (who also started in high school) when we started dating. I was very vocal about my dislike of it, and he quit tobacco about a year in, and now he vapes. Still vaping 6+ years later, lol, but he's been cutting back and plans to quit eventually. When we do plan to have kids, he'll be stopping for sure.
Ah, maybe the difference is that my parents smoked when I was very small. Eventually they both quit and now they both hate the smell. But yes, I also grew up before the smoking ban.
Yes same here. Somehow smokers have a habit of standing at the entrance of buildings..
I think it's because they're not allowed inside the buildings, so they just pop out to the bare minimum distance to smoke. In their defense, probably hard to get very far with all that tar in your lungs.
I smoked for a while. It’s not the distance, it’s the wind. Most entryways have wind blocks that make it more comfortable to stand there and also make it easier to light a cigarette.
While I completely understand that smoking is not a habit that passersby want to subject themselves to all the time, I do think some people are a little oversensitive about the sight of a smoker in a public outdoor place. The stuff that comes out of cars is equally if not more dangerous than second hand cigarette smoke in an outdoor area, but people tolerate it without complaint because they can acknowledge the universal utility of a car. Regardless of that utility though, it is still poisoning the earth and its inhabitants with every mile driven, and a cigarette is mostly only poisoning the smoker when used outdoors with reasonable distance from others.
If we decided 6 feet is good enough for COVID, then it seems like 10 is more than enough for a cigatette.
I know many will disagree with this—please be gentle.
Ah, the wind isn't something I thought of. I grew up around 2 smokers (who still smoke decades later), and have always hated the smell, though I do appreciate when people tuck their cigs away when I walk by with my toddler. You bring up good points about the environment as well; I think it's more of a personal annoyance being burdened with the smell. Similar to people who douse themselves in cologne XD
I've seen conferences outright ban the use of scents because of people who get irritated by them. Fair enough, if you ask me.
In my case at least, it's not a matter of seeing a smoker in a public place, the smell starts irritating my nose and throat and then I have to play a game of "find the smoker". I agree that car exhausts are also harmful, I agree that we should also reduce driving as much as possible, but at least I can tolerate the smell of car exhaust much more easily if I have to be next to it. Everyone else seems to be able to enjoy their (outdoor) meal or concert, and I'd love to be able to get back to the point where I can think "yeah this is harmful, I should probably not subject myself to it" instead of "I can't breathe".
Regarding your car example: I agree, but as you said, cars have utility. Cigarettes don’t. They are a deadly concoction of carcinogenic substances that damage almost every organ in your body. And as you said, they are even unhealthy for bystanders. The fact that we haven’t outright banned them yet is beyond me… And that’s not to shit on Smokers, they are the primary victims of this disgusting industry that shows no signs of having a sense for morals.
They unfortunately do have a usefulness for the smoker though—that’s why people get started. The advantages are subtle intoxication without impairment, socialization rituals, and built in excuses for a break. I work in healthcare and you’d be amazed how many nurses smoke, not because they’ve been fooled by the industry, but rather because they don’t have a better substitute for the benefits that smoking provides them during their stressful day.
No, they smoke because they are addicted. Again I don’t blame them, they are the main victims. They most likely started smoking during adolescence, depending on their age because it was seen as cool, a sign of maturity, group pressure and so on. Add to that the Tabacco industry’s year long investement in marketing. First they paid some “Doctors” to promote their product, then they hooked themselves up with the Movie industry and most of their anti-smoking campaigns are inneffective or even deliver new customers as they are seen as beeing “responsible” (http://tiny.cc/dbf8vz). They added an Ammonium based compounds to Cigarettes that make them more addictive, basically the same principle thats used in crack (http://tiny.cc/9bf8vz), or sugar so that they taste better and you can inhale them easier
By the time they feel the first adverse effects, their hooked and apmost 80% of Smokers who try to quit, fail to do so at one point. () And when 7 out of 10 Smokers say they do want to quit (http://tiny.cc/ibf8vz) you can hardly make the argument that they chose to smoke. They are addicted and don’t really have much if a choice anymore. And quitting is hard as hell. There are studies that suggest that it realistically needs about 30 attempts for the average person to successfully quit smoking (http://tiny.cc/kbf8vz).
And when someone tries to sue them after people died because they used their product, got linger cancer and died, it’s aleays the same:
It wasn’t OUR cigarettes who killed them. They knew the risk! Or they just draw it out so long that the people suing die or run out of money before they ever get a chance of justice.
And nowadays, the came up with vaping. Something that’s at least equally addictive, but now tastes like bubble gum and cotton candy, and you are telling me that this is a responsible industr? That people smoke because there are so many benefits? I’d rather give people extra breaks instead of having them smoke. We as a society have a responsibility to protect those who fail to protect themselves. And a substance that’s inevitably killing it’s users at a rate that’s almost grotesque, is legal tobe consumed in public while some US states arrest your for HOLDING a liquor bottle, is absolute madness.
Smoking kills 8 million people every single year. That’s 1 human every 4 seconds, 1.2 million of them die because of secondary smoke exposure. (http://tiny.cc/vbf8vz).
Again, how can they be legal?
Oh and regarding nurses or health personel in general: What they know professionaly and what they do privately are enormously different things. When the pandemic started here in Switzerland, a local Newspaper asked people in different fields if they would take a vaccine once we had one. Over 40% of people in the healtcare sector said no. That’s the second highest number. Only construction workers were less willing to take a shot with about 2% more.
And when it comes to smoking, yes they smoke, but not because they think it’s healthy or they like it so much, not really. Most of them are addicted cause they started as kids and stopping is about as hard as stop using heroine or cocaine (see links above).
There are some major generalizations in your points here. I know my example is anecdotal, but the picture you paint doesn’t fit my experience. A lot of my coworkers started smoking as adults specifically because they were stressed out and saw their smoking coworkers get a little relief from the habit. One nurse in particular got a lot of the others started by simply offering it when she would go outside for her own break.
So I get what you’re saying, and there are definitely examples like you describe, but it is not accurate to imply that the vast majority of smokers are only doing it because they were duped at some point. Some people know the risk and choose to do it anyway, just like any other dangerous pastime.
There are some major generalizations in your points here. I know my example is anecdotal, but the picture you paint doesn’t fit my experience. A lot of my coworkers started smoking as adults specifically because they were stressed out and saw their smoking coworkers get a little relief from the habit. One nurse in particular got a lot of the others started by simply offering it when she would go outside for her own break.
So I get what you’re saying, and there are definitely examples like you describe, but it is not accurate to imply that the vast majority of smokers are only doing it because they were duped at some point. Some people know the risk and choose to do it anyway, just like any other dangerous pastime.
not really right after lockdowns. i started becoming sensitive to smokes a bit before that happened. there is a reason i don't go outside during breaks at my university. place is lousy with smokes.
Nope, always hated it. Being in Europe just makes it worse since everybody smokes here.
smoking was banned inside businesses in my area close to 20 years ago. just about everyone I know who used to smoke has quit or switched to vaping
I've seen some homeless folks smoke recently but that's about it
The thing that always shocks me, is how fucking vile cigarette smoke smells. It's almost like they intentionally engineered it to smell like death.
I think cigar smoke and pipe smoke actually smells sort of pleasant. Why do cigarettes smell so bad? Is it just all the preservatives and other nonsense they put in them? I went to France a few years ago and thought the cigarettes smelled significantly less horrible than they do in the US. Maybe they smoke more natural cigarettes?
I used to smoke occasionally and I also noticed a huge difference between self-rolled cigarettes and "normal" pre-rolled cigaretts. After smoking one "normal" pre-rolled cigarette, my hand and pretty much all of my clothes would noticeably smell for the rest of the day (to the point where even I would smell it on myself). The self-rolled cigarettes would smell too of course, but nowhere near as bad as the pre-rolled ones. Maybe it's the additives that make the pre-rolled cigarettes burn better.
Not more then usually. However, since lockdowns, the stench on the street from the traffic, mopeds,... is terrible, as is the noise.
I'm even less inclined to be around people since then. After those 2 wonderfully quiet years I just prefer the room around me.
Yep. It's a known thing. You were adjusted to second hand smoke. Now you're not. This is what people who aren't around smokers enough smell and experience. Personally it started happening to me in the Army. I wasn't a smoker at the time and out in the field it's ridiculously obvious as a smell. So much so that by the time I left, the unit leaders had banned smoking in the field and told the smokers to dip or use patches. Not out of any health concern but because the smell carries so far it's a risk to the unit.
Oh, that makes sense. Thanks a lot for your explanation! And wow, I wouldn't have guessed that the smell of smoke would be a risk to a military unit, though now that you mention it it also makes a lot of sense.
I turn off outside air when im driving behind someone who is smoking. Cant stand it and Vape is only slightly less bad.
I've always been sensitive to that even before lockdown. Still sensitive to it after getting COVID last year.
Second hand smoke became a lot worse for me after quitting smoking. So it didn't get worse for me after lockdown, but it was always bad for me.