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After briefing on intel, Singh says ‘clear evidence’ India involved in B.C. killing (www.winnipegfreepress.com)
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[–] [email protected] 102 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

The Conservative leader has called on Trudeau to “come clean” about the evidence behind the allegation against India, saying Canadians deserve more facts.

Singh said Tuesday he does not support that call.

“They’re matters of national security and so information cannot be released beyond the general statements that were released,” he said.

Oh look, Poilievre's taking childish populist shots while Singh is acting like a grown-up. What a surprise.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Pierre is that "I dont want solutions I want to be mad" meme incarnate.

The guy was invited to see the evidence and won't go. What a joke.

[–] PilferJynx 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

He's a one note pony. The Fuck Trudeau show.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

When he talks policies he tanks because people realize he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

When he talks common sense people get to fill in the blanks with whatever they want and when he criticizes Trudeau his base loves it.

I’m looking forward to the debates but I think he’s going to skip them to circle jerk with Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

When he talks policies he tanks because people realize he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

I don't think it's even that. Policies his base would support are noxious to everyone else. Having no substance is the main path to power that sidesteps that, and then he can just do what he wants until next election.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

That's the modern Conservative Party of Canada. There's a fundamental split you get to see played out every time a new leader is elected. I'm reminded of the vote for the ban on conversion therapy (the Conservatives were the only party that was divided), O'Toole's attempt to address climate change in the CPC policy convention, and of course Joe Clark's admonitions back at the merger of the PCs and the Reform Party.

[–] OrteilGenou 2 points 9 months ago

He wishes

[–] someguy3 24 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

They interviewed the former head of CSIS and he said the same thing. Can't reveal your sources because it puts it at risk.

[–] [email protected] 93 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

The Conservative leader has called on Trudeau to “come clean” about the evidence behind the allegation against India, saying Canadians deserve more facts.

Poilievre has so far rejected getting the clearance needed

Of course he's gonna complain about it instead of getting his clearance to review the material and make a well-informed complaint about it.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

Poilievre needs to grow up put on pants and be a man. How the F are you expected to exercise judgement as a leader without getting proper security clearance? Are you hiding something?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Really. He's supposed to be the leader of the Loyal Opposition. If he's not privy to intelligence he can't really understand what's in the national interest. So he doesn't know when it's time to be loyal and when it's time to be in opposition.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

No no! See it's all Justin! Just-insecurity!

Also, no comment on abortion, LGBT+ rights, indigenous affairs…

Did I wink? No I don't recall that. I just need to go hang out with these very fine people over here protesting at hospitals and schools.

But seriously, PP isn't really selling policy per se. He mostly just seems to be jumping on the F∆ck Trudeau bandwagon.

I'm sure he's got some policy platforms, but it's certainly not his main talking points.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

@Grimpen @RandAlThor

He doesn't have any. That's the problem.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

He was an MP for many years, with Rick Mercer mocking him for getting a MP pension at age 31. How can he not get security clearance by now? Something doesn't pass the smell test.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Yes. He's hiding that he's part of the same organization as Modi, and that organization is led by Stephen Harper.

It has a goal of infecting global politics with far right rhetoric.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

@mp3 @grte

And still people wanna vote for his dumb ass.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Top-Secret security clearances should be mandatory for all party leaders and deputy leaders.

Pierre Poilievre is a coward.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Pierre Poilievre is a snivelling little weasel.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

"I dont want security clearance I want to be mad" -PP

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago

And if they can't get their clearance then they should be required to step down as they can't accomplish their role.

[–] AngryCommieKender 26 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I never expected Canada and India would be primary belligerents in WW3.... who's making these bingo cards anyway?

[–] random8847 25 points 9 months ago (2 children)

You guys are complete nuts if you believe there's going to be any war because of this, let alone WW3.

[–] AngryCommieKender 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I was joking, hence the bingo card reference. I know Nuclear Ghandi is a meme, which is why I figured everyone would get the joke.

[–] random8847 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Ahh shit. My bad.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Based adult accountability

In a similar interaction Pierre would have doubled down immediately before throwing a hissy fit.

[–] someguy3 15 points 9 months ago

I think everyone knows that, it's a joke.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Canada now is like groundskeeper Willie, ranting on how Canada makes natural enemies of everyone, including Canada.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (3 children)

If pp would quit being a fucking child and just get his security clearance he could read the intelligence briefing too.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Yeah, but then it would be harder to harangue the PM about this. He's said as much.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Maybe he's afraid the public will find out he's ineligible for some reason...

[–] OrteilGenou 3 points 9 months ago

He looks so bad. You want to lead this country? Rock Hairhare needs to up his game

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Out of all of Canada’s party leaders, In trust this Guy’s take, substantially more than the other two. ‘Millhouse’ being the least trusted one.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I trust Singhs character more than any other, I just can't get behind his platform entirely. I support mostly everything in the platform, I just don't know how we would pay for it all. I think Trudeau spends too much, I imagine the NDP would spend even more.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Nice! Also, austerity is proven again and again to be counterproductive.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

I think Singh weighing in adds a lot of credibility to Trudeau actions

[–] [email protected] -4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

What I don't understand is even if this "clear intelligence" is 100% confirmed and not Canada's low key version of "weapons of mass destruction," why is this playing out over public channels like a reality TV show? With diplomatic norms in mind, I would expect this is the kind of thing that should be discussed behind closed doors only (not leaving out families involved) until/unless proven in the courts.

Is there some reason I'm not thinking of that tensions should be stoked even if there is still a chance they can be averted? Normally this kind of info would only be revealed if there was a case being made for a certain plan of action, but it's pointed out in the article that the investigation is underway. What is the goal of disseminating this?

Quote of the US Ambassador, from the article:

He said he does not generally comment on “private diplomatic conversations,” but added: “There was a lot of communication between Canada and the United States about this, and I think that’s as far as I’m comfortable going.”

While details are classified, this just sounds like gossip. :/

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's already been heavily reported that Canadian officials did bring this up with Indian officials behind closed doors. India refused to assist in any way. So now the government is going public because a) Canadians deserve to know what's going on and that they're defending our sovereignty, and b) to create pressure on the Indian government.

This isn't that mysterious.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I appreciate your response. I'd already considered those reports so I can see this is just something I'll have to be in the minority on. To me, it's similar to how (as a parallel) news channels have for decades reported specific crime incidents in a more entertainment-focused fashion that doesn't help anyone, and just seems to be about titillating people who are into true crime instead of talking about overall statistical trends, expectations, &/or possible policy adjustments.

What do we, as Canadians, do with this knowledge? How does it help us or make us safer? What do Indian Canadians, travellers, and people who do business with India do with this info? Just feels like we're jumping the gun with our collective national sentiments of late, and it reminds me a lot of certain volatile eras of past history.