Everyone commenting seems to be missing your point. Regardless how people feel about pets and fireworks, people should be aware that the 4th of July revelry can be extremely difficult for some veterans suffering from PTSD. There's one I know personally who was in combat in Iraq and saw really terrible things. You can tell talking to him it deeply effects him to this day. I think of it a lot when I hear illegal fireworks. At least with the official fireworks shows they know when to expect it. The illegal fireworks are just random out of the blue and could easily trigger a PTSD episode. Maybe the guy in the screenshot talking about patriotism should consider that.
this post was submitted on 24 Jun 2023
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Pets and PTSD aside, I just get sick of hearing the goddamned things go off every 5 minutes until 3 am every fucking day from June thru August.
Be a good fucking neighbor for fuck's fucking sake. That's all anyone's asking for. Put on a good show on the 4th, clap while you make boom booms, and then stop. Some people have jobs and need sleep. Otherwise we might get cranky.
That is how we do it. One big night, see you back in a year.
This! I have PTSD and have a difficult time with the 4th. But, I would be fine if it was just on the 4th but that's never the case. The last complex I lived in had kids that would set them off in the middle of the day to purposefully scare people.
As a Veteran who has PTSD and does not do well on 4th of July. I fought for people's freedom. Let them enjoy their fireworks and I'll stay on my farm fat away taking care of my turkeys who also hate fireworks.
Not everyone can do that. A form of entrainment doesn't override the right for someone now to experience ptsd episodes in their own home.
There is being considerate of other's life experiences and then there is being unreasonable. There's so many things that can trigger PTSD in people, are you suggesting we stop doing anything that may trigger someone's trauma? Some people get triggers from benign things (my mother used to suffer traumatic flashbacks from certain smells such as wet mud, I get panic attacks if someone comes up behind me and touches me, I've met someone who gets triggered by cars backfiring or balloons popping). The point is that fireworks, mud, people touching you, and backfiring cars are a part of normal life. There are a TONNE of possible triggers, we couldn't possibly avoid every one of them for every sufferer out there. It isn't up to the rest of the world to change their lives to revolve around us and our issues. It's our own responsibility to try to cope and deal with our problems as best we can. It sucks. I say this as someone who suffers from severe PTSD/agoraphobia among a number of other mental health issues that I have been working on for many years. It's really unfair that this has happened to us but it's also not fair to expect everyone else in the neighbourhood to stop having fun because we are sadly conditioned to have a traumatic response to something.
People associate trauma with other things they were experiencing at the time. To remove all triggers is to remove all experiences. Of course we can be considerate, but there is a limit.
So you're basically saying "Yes, it's a problem, but it doesn't affect me personally so let it be"?
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I make sure I’m not around for anything I am personally unusually sensitive to. Can’t expect society not to do any thing which anyone anywhere might not like.
How do you propose someone makes sure they aren't around any people who might be setting off fireworks? Are all veterans automatically wealthy enough to be able to stay in the middle of nowhere for two weeks??
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No actually, he's directly admitting he is personally affected by it, do you read English?
He's saying that his PTSD isn't everyone else's responsibility, and that they should be able to do what they want without having to be concerned if it's going to bother someone who has unique circumstances.
As opposed to all the nanny state bullshit in this thread.
Ban fireworks in cities and places where it's too dry to light them, otherwise who gives a shit.
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I never really thought about farm animals and fireworks. How about chickens/horses/etc?
I heard about horses dying from the stress caused by fireworks. It can also be hurtful to wildlife.
It plays hell on the Turkey farms. When turkeys get scared they run regardless of what's on the way. So a big blast can cause a barn of 9k birds to all run in the opposite wall and kill eachother
yeah, last year some chucklehead was firing off big fireworks and set my neighbor's roof on fire. it was around midnight and very scary. one's desire to see pretty bang bangs does not override other's desire to not lose all their shit to a fire.
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I mean valid point about ptsd but also that's not what they're talking about.
It should be said, if you have a puppy or are getting a puppy. Socialize and habituate them to the sounds. Start with recordings of fireworks playing in another room, treat them when they react to the sounds. When they start wagging their tails and come to you when they hear it, make it more intense by increasing the volume or bringing then into the room. Keep practicing and proofing multiple days per week for months until your puppy happily comes to you when they hear loud bangs.
My puppy now wags his tail and joyfully comes to me when lightning strikes because he thinks it's a fun treat game. Absolutely way better than the alternative. It takes a few weeks with puppies, could take years for traumatized rescues and adults.
This is why I haven't invited a dog into my life yet... I still have sooo much to learn about how to help a pup live a happy and healthy life, can't wait though!!!
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Over here in Central Europe, the fourth of July is obviously not a thing. Our fireworks day is the night between the last and the first day of the year.
Over the last few years it got restriceted more and more and now many cities prohibit private fireworks completely and instead put on a professional show in a few places. It's so much better now in basically every aspect.
I mean, who thought that giving drunk people explosives on a massive scale would be a good idea?
I mean, who thought that giving drunk people explosives on a massive scale would be a good idea?
Same ones that handed them guns as a right, speaking as a US Citizen I really hate that right.
It's not so much the right itself, just the batshit crazy interpretation of it and our collective gun fetish culture. The nutjobs zero in on the "shall not be infringed" part completely ignoring the "well regulated" part that comes before that. *sigh*
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Firework use is prohibited where I live, but the sale is allowed. I hate it so damn much. Maybe I just getting old, but any kind of noise pollution drives me up the wall these day. I get pissed at my neighbour's Corvette that he insists of revving at 5am almost daily.
Oh I get that. I'm living in the city centre in one of Poland's major cities and assholes with motorbikes and sportscars are literally revving the engine ALL. THE. TIME.
And it's such a useless stuff, too. Like, yesterday at 2AM some asshat on a bike just kept burning the tires and revving the engine for 3 minutes straight.
And I had to wake up at 4AM for work, so obviously I'm pissed.
In italy we had fireworks constantly hit the house it was so dangerous.
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Fireworks are basically banned all over Ontario (Canada), because of the risk of forest fires. That goes for official and unofficial ones.
They are banned in many places in the states, too. Like all of Seattle. Doesn't stop people from doing them though because there are zero repercussions.
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Can someone explain what's wrong with the original post? He's not wrong.
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The people round here love their fireworks. There was a whole ass fireworks show in the fire clearing right down the street. It's almost every night in summer, pretty large aerial fireworks going off, particularly bad the weeks leading up to and after the 4th.
It's annoying af. But I'm used to it, and I don't really have a say in what those people do with their summer nights, nor do I want to.
Taking care of a dog is tough. It's like a child, especially a puppy. I have cats. But always had dogs growing up. I'm still unsure if I want to take the plunge, cause my cat is super needy and will probably hate me lol
Exactly. I hope you don't mind me firing my gun in the air wildly while you set off those fireworks. After all, I'm just celebrating the Fourth like you! Why should I be blamed just because the bullets are coming down onto people and killing them? It's not like I meant to kill anyone!
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It's all well and good to be firing blanks if you want. The two are just not comparable and I have no clue what you were trying to say.
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Fireworks are illegal in my area (wildfire risk is too high) but people still set them off anyway. I’d love to see one of my neighbors try to cop this attitude with me. I mean I understand if people want to go play with them but this guy went out of his way to say “fuck all dogs” and what kind of a person says that?
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