I like this Jesus guy's ideas, I just don't think he's magic.
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I like what this guy named Matthew said Jesus guy's ideas were. Mark and Luke said the same but weren't as good as writers. And another guy named John wrote a fanfic expanding on the original.
And then a guy called Paul (aka Saul) got involved despite never having met the OG crew. And started an expanded universe messing up the canon forever.
See, Evangelicals don't worship Jesus. He's just their mascot. They worship Paul.
Then they should pay their fucking taxes if they do.
I mean that's a different issue but you'll get no argument from me
Well sorta Paul told them to pay their taxes. So if they like this Paul guy so much they should follow him.
I mean, Mark had to go first, so we can give him some slack. And Luke isn't a worse writer, just a bit of a pretentious one. John is definitely the best storyteller, even if he does go...off the rails a bit. And Paul didn't write nearly as much as we give him credit/blame for.
I think it is a mixed bag. The teaching about divorce messed up the lives of a lot of people. Then there was that time he told a guy to abandon his dying father to go preach with him. He called a gentile woman a dog. He said most people will be destroyed. Jesus as chronicled by Matthew seems fond of referring to everlasting fire.
To be clear, I am not saying he didn't say anything good. He said don't be a hypocrite. He said help others and pay your taxes. He said feed the hungry and clothe the naked. But that doesn't erase all the bad things the character of Jesus said.
I do agree that Paul sucks balls though.
Paul predated the Gospel writers and he claims that he met James.
Funny enough you're right. My guess is that, for a while, these stories were transmitted orally. ~~Like herpes.~~
There is that idea yes, that there was an oral tradition for fifty years until the author of Mark came along. It is also possible the Mark Gospel was two lost written accounts that were merged, meaning the oral tradition was much shorter. About 85% of Matthew is found in Mark and most of the 15% are Greek legends. Luke seems to have had Matthew, Josphius, and Mark. John seems to have had the three plus that weird community that might have existed in Jerusalem. I hate using weasel words but really this is all speculation. Not convinced the M source had to have existed, since you can get there without it.
It is worth mentioning that the story about the adulteress in John was in oral form for a long time before written down. So, yes it is possible that this feat happened more than once. Pity that story is even less likely to have happened compared to the rest of the stories, given how nice it is.
I am aware of the two-source hypothesis. My opinion is that those two sources probably derive from oral tradition, and this oral tradition is also the source material that Paul drew from.
Sure why not? Some Essen community is chilling there with their stories of a Jewish dying and rising God, Paul shows up and takes it seriously.
And then they all died for their faith, bar John who was imprisoned for life, and not once renounced it to save themselves.
Paul only wrote half the letters attributed to him, John didn't write John, Mark didn't write Mark, Matthew didn't write Matthew, and Luke didn't write Luke. Of the 27 books of the NT only 8 are attributed correctly.
As for their supposed dying for their faith we don't actually know that. That is all later church traditions. It's certainly possible since pretty much everyone got murdered who the Romans noticed but we don't have evidence that it happened to them and there was plenty of reason to lie about it.
A lot of atheist find the Christ message of love and tolerance interesting though, the rest of the bible? Meh.
He really didn't have a message like that.
This is not true
Atheists tend to follow Jesus more closely than Evangelicals, they just don't need a leash to be good people.
well, in their defense they are forgiven and allowed to sin until they return to donate more money... i mean ask for forgiveness.
If that God exists, the irony is that he would see right through them.
The idea isn't to be evil and hateful until the last 5 minutes before death. I would even argue that that plan in itself would be another form of evil. It wouldn't be true penance or regret, but instead, it would just be a way to save themselves at the last minute. Selfishness.
It could also maybe be seen as an insult to that God, to believe that he as an all-knowing deity would somehow not know their true intentions.
Yes, I find it fascinating how much religious people want to cheat their own god. There are entire systems of rituals and actions to show everyone how faithful you are. But you are showing it off to other people, not god.
It would only be ironic if god and heaven were real. Otherwise those duplicitous fucks go to their graves never knowing true retribution. My only hope is that they die with the uncertainty of not knowing, and their last few moments of lucidity are spent in internal existential angst.
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