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[–] qooqie 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Stop suing! They don’t care they can make more money through lying. Start jailing them!

It’ll never happen, but I wish 🙁

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Lawsuits that lead to companies paying externalities are an OK idea.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Stop suing! They don’t care they can make more money through lying. Start jailing them!

They only care about money. That's why hurting their profits is an effective method to change what they do.

Imagine renewable electricity was 10 times more profitable than generating it from fossil fuels. Of course they would want to be clean energy barons. Lawsuits can make a business less profitable, can make investments more risky. So this is good! I agree jailing would be a much stronger incentive.

But to put someone into jail, you also have to sue them first, don't you? At least that's what my translator suggests.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I wouldn't be sad to see vigilante justice against them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Or just start making them pay back more than they've made by lying.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago

CA needs the money though

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This should be a depressing picture, but... I've been playing too much Factorio.

[–] Eheran 6 points 1 year ago

Oil in Factorio is super wonky. One pump jack can supply all(!) flamethrowers, but don't even try to make some products out of the same amount of oil.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jail them

Jail time is the only thing that will put a stop to real abuse. A 5% of profit fine just makes them laugh

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Governments need to be able to jail corporations.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But then who's jailing the governments

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The justice system, which is separate

[–] diffuselight 9 points 1 year ago

This will lead to fines and settlements and then the executives will get off scot free. Just modern day absolution writs

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The state of California sued several of the world’s biggest oil companies on Friday, claiming their actions have caused tens of billions of dollars in damage and that they deceived the public by downplaying the risks posed by fossil fuels.

The civil case, filed in superior court in San Francisco, is the latest and most significant lawsuit to target oil, gas and coal companies over their role in causing climate change.

California is also on the front lines of climate-change-fueled extreme weather, with wildfires, floods, sea-level rise, searing heat and even tropical storms battering the state.

It claims that starting in the 1950s, the companies and their allies intentionally downplayed the risks posed by fossil fuels to the public, even though they understood that their products were likely to lead to significant global warming.

“Oil and gas company executives have known for decades that reliance on fossil fuels would cause these catastrophic results, but they suppressed that information from the public and policymakers by actively pushing out disinformation on the topic,” the complaint reads.

Two recent lawsuits against big oil companies, one in Puerto Rico and one in Hoboken, N.J., have brought charges under the state and federal versions of the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization Act.


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