I went to a major medical university and studied humanities. The amount of soon-to-be doctors and nurses complaining about why they needed to study things like ethics, philosophy, or history astounded me, it's like these people didn't want to deal with the human aspect of medicine and instead just wanted to make money.
I wouldn't be shocked if more medschool students dropped out from the humanities courses than the medical ones, they hated it
I didn't hate them, but it's tough when every professor assigns homework like they're the only class you're taking.
Not meaning to imply they should be dropped, but looking at the state of the world most people aren't internalizing anything from the humanities.
I had a professor that said a good student will study Monday to Saturday the amount of hours a day as the amount of credits you take. Take Sundays off. We all had 15 credits a semester.
Did any of those courses succeed in teaching empathy, sociality, ethic? If it's similar to what I experienced in my university, it didn't do jack shit. University is great at teaching scientific knowledge but horrible at teaching philosophy. I learn more about ethics, philosophy and history via YouTube than from university
Students have an obligation to respond and receive the materials. If you chose not to engage with the classes, then that's on you, but it's generally a good thing for doctors and people working with the public to have an education on things like empathy and history (specifically the history of discrimination against marginalized groups).
I learn more about ethics, philosophy, and history via YouTube than from university
Oh, you're one of those people.
Why do you have to be rude? They were simply claiming the classes were not effective at their apparent goal of making students more ethical. It doesn't mean they don't think doctors should be ethical.
I also had to take a required ethics class, and it was the worst taught class I ever took there. It wasn't effective at teaching me about ethics, it was just a pile of bad tests, and it certainly wasn't effective at convincing me and the other students to be more ethical in our respective careers.
The free website where many people put up easy to access high quality educational resources is a great way to learn stuff on a budget. Not all of youtube is great but being rude to people who watch youtube videos to make yourself feel bigger is shitty.
It's funny because doctors make like nothing compared to finance bros.
Noticed the same when I studied computer science. My fellow students complained about having to study the history of computers, ethics, social studies and especially ex.phil. "I just want to program all day, not study things I will never use!'
I switched bachelor programmes after a couple of years
I once had a chemistry professor who used to work as a senior drug researcher at a major pharmaceutical company. He often joked about how the company treated the monkeys used for testing far better than the PhDs. If a monkey suffered a negative reaction there was a major investigation. I'm incredibly surprised Musk can be killing monkeys left and right and hasn't been thrown in jail.
Here is a cnn article about it.
Elon wasn’t really involved with it. A university was.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/02/17/business/elon-musk-neuralink-animal-cruelty-intl-scli/index.html
The difference is that guy was working at a major pharmaceutical research firm with animal advocates and whistle-blowers and accrediting board all over them. Musk's group is new and is still in the fucking around phase. As soon as they have to answer to any outside org, suddenly this will be a huge liability.
We're still in the 'move fast, kill monkeys' phase.
So agile. Much lean.
I still think we should try it on musk himself. Those monkeys just didnt have moxie
The other 8 died, too. In excruciating pain. One of them vomited to death. These people are barbaric and should face animal cruelty charges.
Source?
You're looking at a tweet from well over a year ago. They've killed well over 1500 animals at this point, and I think you might want to look up "neuralink" on literally any news site.
And I've also seen that they just had to put them down because that's a requirement when they cannot prove if the animals might be suffering, which is hard to do with brain implants.
Same kind of source.
You are confusing taking a class with actually having ethics. No amount of attending a lecture about ethics will convince you if you do not, as a basic premise agree with the ethical principle that loss of life is a bad thing. And to be very clear, ethical principles are subjective. There is no objectively right or wrong thing as far nature is concerned.
Ethics class gives you tools to analyze a problem. Any good class is part of the philosophy department and leans on the classic philosphers approaches to analyze the problem. Many engineers would have no exposure to this otherwise and i think its a good part of any Universities' engineering curriculum.
Business/economics and politics students also need classes in ethics.
Yes, but they cant win capitalism if they apply those lessons though.
Funny story, the only ethics required in my engineering degree was a 2-day unit on our professional code of ethics. We had a 20-question true/false homework on it, and the thing about a professional code of ethics is it's not super intuitive. Most of the class thought they could gut feel their way through it, but you actually had to read the code because the wording was very specific sometimes. When it turned out that everyone failed the homework, the professor let us try again.
Ethics!
Wow! Been a while since I've seen a Michael Crichton quote. I think I'll have to do a reread of Jurassic Park now.
No amount of ethics teaching will change the behaviour of a narcisistic psychopath like musk.
At least you get to take an ethics class. Mine was just about patents and Therac-25
I mean, we really don't want a repeat of the Therac-25
Still can't believe it happened the first time.
"Oh let's just reuse the code and forget the hardware breakers on the machine it'll be fine."
Like I have no ethics training but they even had a (human operated) control rod in the first chicago pile who trusts a radiation gun to a SOFTWARE toggle?
It wasn't collectively known that software was hard to do right at that time. If it always performed as intended it would have made for a less expensive and perfectly safe machine. It's the textbook case in doing software wrong because there wasn't one that happened before it.
RIP to the monkeys. They deserved better.
I had to take 3 ethics classes for my cybersecurity degree
Please explain how this is a meme.
No one knows what a meme is anymore. And idk if mods care.
This startrek.website site loads like 15% of the time for me. It's really annoying.
It's been a bit laggy and inconsistent since the instance switched hosts last week. I wonder if that's still it...
I used to think like that but looking back those classes were pretty fun
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
Philosophy should be taught from very early. The hability to think, argue, relate to others and understand others while being capable of express your ideas is extremely important.
I personally enjoy ethics as a subject, but has it been shown that studying ethics in uni actually leads to people behaving more ethically? I agree that ethics should be applied to science, but science should also be applied to ethics to determine the effective approach.
And there are actual real life goobers dying to get one themselves.
It's so incredibly ironic that these are probably the same goobers who talk about microchips in vaccines.
We don't in my country, and I'm 100% sure people would complain if there was one. Even if they attended it, it would go completely over their heads probably.
A shitty capitalist society with deeply rooted individualism can't be treated unless it's done from the root of the problem.
My law/ethics prof was a big old NIMBY. Apparently, utilitarianism is when "neighbor allows cell tower in his yard and it block my view"