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My favorite part is when they lie to the president and Congress. Like, it's not enough that they do dogshit evil for the US government, they have to do dogshit evil against it as well? Is evil just the highest goal of the CIA? Is the agency just staffed with sociopaths?
... don't answer that, actually.
Letting the CIA develop a culture of criminality and invulnerability was a fucking mistake. Tear it down. Start over from the ground up.
Behind the Bastards podcast has taught me that we will never fix the culture, will only sometimes remove individuals, and it will always be shitty.
Hey now, just because it can't be fixed doesn't mean it can't be better. The CIA is at a special level of dogshit. They can be less evil.
Just like Russia in Africa an around the world (and China more on the economic side)
Russia in Africa? If you want to make this argument do not forget, that the greatest neocolonialistic forces in Africa are European countries, France, UK etc
Yes, but Russia doesn't do it for colonialism but world destabilization. China loans money to poor countries so to keep them indebted and dependent. """Communist""" countries nowadays really do suck. Capitalism is bad too but not at that level of bad.
The actual answer is they both suck. Russia, China, the US, France, Britain are all very guilty of destabilising and manipulating the government's of developing countries. And the reasons are usually economic. Let's not forget that most of the countries that have had coups recently have signed "cooperation agreements" with France. And that shouldn't be seen as an excuse for China's loanshark nonsense, or Russia's shameless resource theft.
The developed (or "developed" in the case of Russia and China) world has a major problem interfering in other countries domestic affairs. Phrasing it as a capitalist Vs communist problem just ignores the root of the problem, which is human greed.
I agree with you, well put
You really need to check out the history of coloialism. There's a lot of it and most of it is horrifying. Western countries have done every bad thing Russia and China are doing, and worse.
Oh I know that, there’s no denying it
Russia in a European country
Stop, next you'll say they're not an anti-imperialist force /s
who were they doing it for, an-crap?
Even Australia is not immune.
(Not really, this is just a fun conspiracy theory with one of our most impactful PMs)
It’s really not that wild of a theory.
The US had many clear motives for wanting this. They had the means thanks to Kerr. And they were afforded the opportunity by the Senate deadlock. There are certainly a few reasons to say otherwise, but at the very least it’s impossible to dismiss the theory as crackpot.
Agreed, as far as conspiracy theories go this is definitely on the more credible side at least in my view. I just didn't want to present it as fact.
Who?
He was responsible for introducing universal healthcare and free university in Australia.
TIL, thanks!
And probably why there's a band called "The Whitlams?"
Yup. Here's a snippet from their Wikipedia page:
Freedman named the band after the former Prime Minister of Australia, Gough Whitlam, although Plunder had sought to call themselves, 'The Three Nice Boys'. According to Freedman "I loved the family names—the Smiths, the Reivers. I thought, the Whitlams, no-one's done that. I'll be able to steal all the goodwill that Australia holds in reserve for Gough Whitlam."
Also, if you didn't see it already, there are actually a lot of really good reasons to suspect US involvement in the event that has come to be known as "The Dismissal". A brief explanation of some of them are in another comment further up the page.