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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

EDIT: no, I don't sympathize with nazis (neither I sympathize with those who call everyone nazi when they're losing an argument ;)

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[–] [email protected] 262 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Most defederation isn’t because people are disagreeing though. It’s because the people they’re defederating from are assholes.

[–] [email protected] 200 points 1 year ago

OP is a three day old account. They know this, this meme is just them crying about it.

[–] [email protected] 164 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (23 children)

Instance know for trolling and being assholes is eventually defederated

You just don't understand us!

[–] [email protected] 100 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol right? And if you even try to engage it’s constant sealioning, memeing, and dunking.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

Sealioning? No, you just won't read my 10,000 word post that is copied from someone else's pHD.

Edit: No joke, after posting this I got this message from a Hexbear user:

I’ve read all three volumes of [Das Kapital] around a month ago because I had an autistic urge to do it

tell me with full seriousness that you’ve even glanced at it

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[–] [email protected] 175 points 1 year ago (29 children)

Yes, let's enter discussion with the literal Nazis so we can try to understand them. There might be nuance to their calls for mass genocide.

Fuck off OP.

[–] Fried_out_Kombi 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

It's funny how people always use play it like "oh, it's just differing opinions" when what they're actually defending is indefensible malarkey like nazis and tankies. They know if they made a meme saying we should "try to understand" nazis and tankies, they'd be downvoted to oblivion. And so they hide behind a shield of "differing opinions".

These cretins have a right to post nazi and tankie shit on their own instances -- them's the beauty of the fediverse. But I also have a right to not want hate speech, genocide denial, and Hitler/Stalin/Mao simps polluting my feed. It's not mere "differing opinions" when one person's opinion is "Holodomor didn't happen, and if it did, the Ukrainians deserved it" or "Holocaust didn't happen, and if it did, the Jews deserved it" or whatever apologia they wanna peddle.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

It’s funny how people always use play it like “oh, it’s just differing opinions” when what they’re actually defending is indefensible malarkey like nazis and tankies. They know if they made a meme saying we should “try to understand” nazis and tankies, they’d be downvoted to oblivion. And so they hide behind a shield of “differing opinions”.

There's an actual term for this: Motte and Bailey. One of many hallmarks of disingenuous shitbirds.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hitler wasn’t all bad. After all, he did kill Hitler.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Only a good Hitler with a gun can stop a bad Hitler doing genocide.

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[–] OhStopYellingAtMe 172 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fuck that. Defederate all Nazis.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

More like de-head-erate all nazis lmao

[–] Lizardking27 97 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lmao "try and understand them" fuck off, OP. You're not fooling anyone. There's no point trying to understand assholes.

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This post assumes that a meaningful amount of defed instances are caused by simple lack of agreement. Often, it's an orthogonal matter - it boils down to instance A actually understanding something about the userbase of instance B and saying "I'm not dealing with this shit, it'll make the instance worse for its own users". For example: the typical user of B might be disingenuous, or preach immoral prescriptions, behave like a chimp, or be a bloody stupid piece of trash that should've stayed in Reddit to avoid smearing its stupidity everywhere here.

Are instance admins too eager to pull the trigger for defed? Perhaps, in some cases; specially because it handles groups of users instead of individuals. But those cases are better addressed through actual examples, not through a meme talking on generic grounds.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The cool part is, if your instance admin starts doing stuff you don't like, you can super easily just go to a different one, or even go about hosting your own that you control and decide who to federate with

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[–] atrielienz 84 points 1 year ago (3 children)

No offense but this is kind of what happens in real life too. Nazi shows up to local bar. Barman or owner doesn't throw them out. Eventually they invite their friends. It winds up being known a Nazi bar. People who don't want to associate with Nazis no longer visit the bar. This is why intolerance of the intolerant is a thing.

[–] EmpathicVagrant 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The paradox of tolerance.

Tolerance must tolerate all but intolerance of tolerance

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago

Tolerance is a social contract.

If you refuse to be bound by it, then you are a direct threat to the contract, and those who follow it, and should be treated as such.

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[–] Rooty 82 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Defederating brigaders and trolls is necessary to maintain a healthy community. If your instance is defederated from all major instances, perhaps you should look examine what sort of company you keep.

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 year ago (5 children)

'people posting stuff you consider harmful' is not a simple, black and white issue. Anyone who pretends that allowing all opinions has no consequences is full of shit, anyone who claims that tightly policing opinions has no consequences is full of shit.

Like almost everything in life, you will have to navigate a tenuous balance between these two things and you will never know if you got the balance right. You are just a sack of meat doomed to die.

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[–] Custoslibera 63 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fuck off nazis.

Follow your leader and kill yourselves.

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[–] iforgotmyinstance 63 points 1 year ago

Imagine thinking racism and child porn have arguments worth listening to. Just defed and forget they exist.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What a simple, stupid argument.

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[–] Feathercrown 54 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I'm so glad that the comments have (mostly) finally unified in agreement that defederating Nazis and other hideous people is the right move.

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[–] Astroturfed 46 points 1 year ago

But seriously, fuck them tankies.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, let's try to understand child abuse images /s

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Let’s find the middle ground with Nazi’s too!

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] blue_zephyr 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't have the patience to discuss transphobes and I will never, ever, understand them. Just go fuck yourself and then kindly fuck off.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Only lemmy could make a post about disagreeing with someone's view point about child porn

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm guessing its about tankies

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (21 children)

So many tankies on here, flat out support for the invasion of Ukraine, claiming that the west is less free than China, shitting on democracy/voting... So much shit.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Funny how one instance is the one everyone wants to defederate from.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (18 children)

If the 'thing you dont agree' with is hate speech or shit promotting violence for example that's the only sane option you have lol

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago

I was there OP, I was there 3000 years ago before the great renaming, long before the eternal September. Fuck those bitches, defederate and be done with them. Assholes are eternally assholes and giving them an inch is just inviting them to take a mile.

[–] TwoGems 35 points 1 year ago (5 children)

You can't tolerate nazis or tankies. Bad reasoning altogether. Look at the state the USA is in right now because we decided to tolerate fascists.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Works for me. I don't negotiate with terrorists.

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[–] Ddhuud 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Defed is cheaper than consulting a lawyer.

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[–] Brunbrun6766 28 points 1 year ago

Not ITT, OP commenting on their own post. 3 day old account posting just to stir up shit. Obvious plant is obvious

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Defederation is becoming the Lemmy meme.

I think being on lemmy does not in any way oblige a user to listen to everyone all the time. A lot of people will just come here for a good time. And for the freedom of speech activists: freedom of speech also involves other peoples freedom not to want to listen.

Moreover, I think most people who want to defederate with certain instances don’t necessarily have a problem with different world views, but have a problem with the tone being set by a small percentage of the users of said instances. Unfortunately, only a small percentage is needed to create a general vibe.

I hope it will be possible for individual users to block entire instances very soon, this way this whole debate will become obsolete. Personally, I can’t wait for it (the debate to become obsolete, not blocking instances necessarily)

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whew !memes sure does have a lot of faciest apologia.

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