this post was submitted on 01 Sep 2023
354 points (96.1% liked)

politics

19243 readers
2494 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Real America’s Voice aired the interview on Thursday and subsequently tweeted multiple clips with “Trump” on social media, which remain on Real America Voice’s social media accounts as of this writing.

Afterward, host John Solomon insisted the voice was really Trump’s, but that’s a tough sell. At several points, the voice became choppy, suggesting that Solomon and co-host Amanda Head were talking to an AI. More importantly, the voice sounded similar to Trump’s, but not really like Trump’s.

...

“It’s not AI, it was President Trump,” Solomon told the publication. “You can call the staff and check with them yourself. It was definitely President Trump without any doubt.”

My god, these people are so gullible.

all 33 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 95 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I sure he wasn't duped because he was in on it. This was a test run of having a fake "Trump" on friendly far-right media outlets answering scripted questions to keep him in the press and fake Trump, unlike real Trump, can stay on topic and avoid offering further incriminating evidence.

[–] Fredselfish 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What if Trump dies and they try pawn off his deep fake as him to keep Trump relevant then that fake Trump wins the election. What would happen then?

[–] Acronymesis 9 points 1 year ago

It’s sad that I can absolutely see a significant number within our population falling for a deep fake Trump after his death and continuing on believing he’s alive. Hell, it doesn’t even take a deep fake for folks to believe people that are long gone are still with us.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Then Real America’s Voice should be called out again, not for the host being duped, but for them trying to dupe viewers.

I do realize that it would never happen though, with Fox having been at their schtick for almost 30 years

[–] HWK_290 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Was it coherent? That is the big tell it's AI

[–] FlyingSquid 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Is it? It's not like Trump is coherent.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago

I think that's what they are suggesting. If the speech was too coherent, then it could not have been actual trump.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago
[–] HWK_290 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hmm you raise a good point... If the AI was trained exclusively on trump's speech and allowed to run amok, then I imagine it would be equally incoherent

But if it's a someone else typing the words,and assuming they don't have swiss cheese sized holes in their brain, then it's likely the AI will make more sense. Or at least have reasonable sentence structure. And no hamberders

[–] Serinus 4 points 1 year ago

It's an LLM, Large Language Model. They're better at language than anything else.

100% the AI will be more coherent than Trump.

[–] Tar_alcaran 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And no hamberders

Using non-existant words will be the only way humans will be able to distinguish themselves from our machine overlords after the comin apocalypse.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately making up facts (and words) is one of the things that these systems can do reasonably well. So I don't think this will save us.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I had the same thought lol. It sounded too coherent to me.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

UPDATE: The Daily Beast added an editor’s note to their piece. Here it is in full: “Editor’s Note: This story has been updated to remove quotes attributed to the owner of Real America’s Voice, Robert Sigg, saying he is investigating whether the call was a prank and criticizing network staffers. A Daily Beast reporter had a conversation by text with a person who identified themselves as Sigg, on a number public records show was once associated with Sigg—but a spokesperson for Real America’s Voice said that it was not Sigg and is not his current number.”

We had to update our interview about someone potentially being duped by fake Trump because our interviewer was potentially duped by a fake person pretending to be the person who potentially got duped by fake Trump.

Wtf is happening here?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

They didn't want to admit to being duped, so they used projection, suggesting viewers were the duped ones.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Choppy voice is not sign of AI, but of bad internet connection. Also sound compression can create audio artifacts so that the voice does not sound quite the same. Better analysis is needed than that.

[–] Veedem 6 points 1 year ago

Yeah, honestly, the clip shared on the top of that site is not clear. Sounded like poor connection. The tangential babbling sounded a lot like Trump. I don’t even know the point he was trying to make.

[–] Byereddithellolemmy 15 points 1 year ago

I listened to the whole thing, and while it does sound terrible due to what I assume to be a bad connection and an incompetent host and caller, it doesn't sound like AI to me.

In my opinion, it sounds like he's sniffed up and his dentures are falling out of his mouth, as we've seen in previous addresses.

Just the usual idiocy from the world renowned orange moron. Move along.

[–] Hazdaz 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is there anywhere to listen to this fake interview without giving any of these idiots more clicks? That mediaite site totally doesn't work with FireFox.

[–] FlyingSquid 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Will a Twitter link work for you? It still gives them a view, but it's Twitter, so who cares? https://twitter.com/realamvoice/status/1697375691140915280

[–] Hazdaz 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It still gives them a view

We have to collectively stop clicking on these people's sites. Same with Twitter. Fuck Musk and all his companies.

Thanks for the link, but if more people simply stayed off a lot of these sites, they would collapse from lack of views.

[–] FlyingSquid 3 points 1 year ago

Then I'm afraid I have no other link to give you.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Half of them are gullable and the other half are outright career criminals that deserve more than prison.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Ah, is this how a proper corn cobbing looks? Okay.

[–] DigitalWebSlinger 2 points 1 year ago

I'm a little unclear what they're saying gives it away as being AI? Occasional choppiness?

The tweet link posted elsewhere in this thread doesn't give much to go on, but the "choppiness", while noticeable if I was really looking for it, did not stand out to me. What did stand out to me was the clarity of the audio. Every "on the phone with Trump interview" I've heard (which is few, but enough) has had really horrible, standard phone line quality. This had a "computer microphone picking up a computer speaker" quality. Which I suppose lends credence to the theory that they, themselves, are doing the duping, otherwise the faked audio would have come through the phone lines? Probably would have been more believable then, like how grainy pictures of Bigfoot are more believable.

[–] metalsonic00 2 points 1 year ago

He has a lisp on this recording.