Widely used Russian proverb: βΠΡΡΡ β Π·Π½Π°ΡΠΈΡ Π»ΡΠ±ΠΈΡβ
Translation βif he beats you, it means he loves youβ.
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That is so fucked up.
I was told that saying is used ironically by younger generations. At least by those who are educated enough to have contact to the west.
Educated in Russia is a slim minority.
Similar proverbs exist in multiple cultures across the globe.
βYou only hurt the ones you love.β
Saying something mean and hurtful when in a heated argument is still a stratosphere away from the crime, pain and trauma of rape.
Not only that, but we teach them to children from infancy ("he's only mean to you because he likes you!").
It's quite disturbing how pervasive, and harmful, these ideas are, throughout all patriarchal societies.
sounds like this is a common fetish in Russia π€
St. Petersburg Police Detain Woman Who Fled Chechnya Over Domestic Violence
Police in the Russian city of St. Petersburg have detained and reportedly sent back a woman who had fled her native North Caucasus region of Chechnya because of fears for her safety, the SK SOS human rights group said on August 24, adding that Seda Suleimanova may face an "honor killing" upon her return.
I read through the mentioned study that is quoted in the article as the source for that number with a translator, but I cannot find anything relating to the number. On the contrary, the mentioned rates of abuse seem to be way lower.
In general, 24% of respondents are aware of the use of physical force (beatings, blows) in families among their environment, including their own. Every fourteenth resident of Russia (7%) witnessed domestic assault in the parental family, and every twentieth (5%) practices or is the object of violence in their own. Given the sensitivity of the topic of violence for the interview format, we can assume that this share in both cases may be higher.
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At the end it talks about which acts are generally considered domestic violence by married people, but it does not even talk about the rate of abused married woman in particular.
Maybe someone who can read russian can find something here that I cannot? But as of now I see no source for the claim.
Edit: Just to be clear: I am not supporting Russia's War. I am merely pointing out that the source for the claim does not actually support the claim.
Just two examples:
In 2017, Russian President Putin signed a bill into law decriminalizing domestic violence
"[...] a huge step backward for Russia, where victims of domestic violence already face enormous obstacles to getting help or justice,β said Yulia Gorbunova, Russia researcher at Human Rights Watch. βThe domestic violence bill would reduce penalties for abusers and put victimsβ lives at even greater risk.β
In 2021, The Moscow Times reported:
In Russia, police fail to respond to domestic violence complaints or refuse to act on them with frightening regularity. Russian media often report on deaths from domestic violence that could have been prevented.
The weak police response is part of Russian authoritiesβ systemic failure to properly address domestic violence.
Even people facing severe physical abuse do not get adequate protection and assistance. Cases can be prosecuted under various legal provisions but Russia has no specific law on domestic violence. Russian legislation does not contain a stand-alone offense, or even a definition, for domestic violence, nor does it allow for protection orders to ensure immediate and life-saving help.
Uh oh. Hopefully I don't have to read about a "critical support" justification for this because it disrupts "western hegemony"
This tells so much about russians.. Terrible, just terible.
If violence towards women is your metric, this is hardly a problem exclusive to them (to be clear this isn't to excuse Russia, it's to point out that a violent rape culture exist everywhere there is patriarchy, and it is said patriarchy that needs to be addressed, not an individual country).
*Russian men
Wow, Russian men are state sponsored monsters.
#RussianFreedom
91? Does that mean that only 9% of married men are non-violent?
No, it doesn't necessarily. Several women can be the victim of one man. Of course that doesn't change that it's probably a very low number.
Okay, I have never before heard the phrase "reproductive violence" and I sincerely hope I'll never hear it again.