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[–] quixotic120 199 points 1 year ago (24 children)

Imo impossible meat is superior to beyond although nutritionally it’s a mixed bag. It introduces a decent amount of carbs (9g per 4oz) and has over 5x the sodium of beef. But it also has a bit of fiber and a either comparable or more vitamin/mineral content than beef. Protein is comparable to 80% ground with 20% less caloric content

Beyond is similar.

They’re both basically vegetable proteins with binders and fats and some flavorings. The big game changer flavoring is leghemoglobin which both use. It’s a protein isolated from soy that is very similar to certain enzymes from bovine muscle. Impossible got the fda to approve it in 2019 and it was challenged; there are some concerns on whether it is safe to eat. I’m not super well read on the issue but from what I’ve perused the issue is one of a lack of long term testing and not of any direct concern.

The textural difference between the two is because beyond uses isolated pea protein, which gives it a texture that’s a bit chunkier and imo more sausage like, and impossible uses soy protein, which imo is more like a cheap burger patty you’d get at McDonald’s.

The fats are typical fats like coconut oil or sunflower oil to recreate the fatty part of beef and this is the current weakness of the products imo. Coconut oil is used because it tends to stay solidified at room temp so when you’re making patties it feels like there are chunks of beef fat. In practice this is weird because they are far too hard and aren’t dispersed enough throughout the product; I believe this is why these fake meats tend to stick to the pan much easier than actual burgers cooked in a skillet.

The binders are big scary words like methylcellulose which is also a source of fiber and can be used as a laxative so people latch onto that and freak out. But it’s only used as a binder to help it hold everything together here so it’s like a tiny amount that just provides a bit of fiber that you probably desperately need if you’re having burgers for dinner. Fun fact: Certain preparations of methylcellulose (a4c) turn into gels when heated so you can use them to make hot ice cream! It’s pretty weird to eat, like a normal ice cream base that solidifies when you put it into boiling water

The other ingredients are stuff like beet juice for coloring

Final fun fact: technically impossible meat is not vegan because animal testing was done during its development.

Thanks for reading my unprompted essay on the composition of modern vegan meat substitutes. This was brought to you by my failed interest in becoming a food scientist. Also you may note I don’t really discuss how they compare to meat and that’s because I don’t eat meat which by law I am required to mention in all posts about food

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I do eat meat, quite frequently.

Impossible is the only meat substitute I've had that I couldn't immediately tell the difference with, in either flavor or texture. If the price is ever on-par with hamburger (ideally cheaper), I will switch without hesitation. I will highly recommend it to anyone that's vegan (yes, yes, I know) or vegetarian.

I've also had some soy wings that are very, very good, better than real wings. Then again, I don't actually like real chicken wings that much.

[–] quixotic120 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The meat alternatives will only get better as time goes on and market demand grows. A burger or nugget is really not an impossible (lol) to recreate item; most of the meat texture is lost by the processing involved.

A burger is obviously ground and a nugget is usually chicken that’s ground to almost a paste then shaped and breaded. At that point it’s finding something that can approximate the texture of the mushed up meat goo and then finding something that can convincingly flavor it. That’s why impossible was so adamant to get leghemoglobin cleared by the fda, it really is by far the best option. If not that your other options are basically trying to recreate a “meaty flavor” with spice blends and msg which is how the older meat alternatives worked

The much bigger challenge is finding something that can texturally approximate intact muscle (eg wings or steak). As you’ve said there are decent soy wings and there are steak strip things and such but these are generally passable. They taste good and are fine as a meal but they aren’t the same in the way an impossible burger is reallllly close to a burger. Lots of people trying though! Jackfruit, tvp, seitan, pea and soy protein, etc. but none of them come close to the mouth feel and texture of a wing or steak. Someday, maybe. I hope someone figures it out; I haven’t had meat in like 20 years or so but I do miss the texture of steak from time to time and wish I had something that could recreate that

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

I upvoted your post 1/2 way through just for the sheer effort of information. (and did continue reading, I just have nothing of value to add)

[–] PilferJynx 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seems like an absolute process. I'm not a vegan but it's nice you guys have options when you're craving a burger. I can't wait until that lab grown meat hits the markets.

[–] glassware 19 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Honestly I think Beyond Meat/Impossible style burgers are aimed at meat eaters who want to reduce animal cruelty/their carbon footprint. It's actually kind of annoying they're so popular now, as restaurants that used to have creative vegan options now sell Beyond Meat as the only choice.

Vegans don't tend to care if a veggie burger is "realistic". Some find the idea of meat gross and don't want to roleplay eating it (my wife says they make her feel sick). Even if you don't mind, the longer you give up meat the less interesting it is as a flavor. I'd take one of those shitty frozen veggie burgers that are 90% potato over an Impossible burger.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

has over 5x the sodium of beef

I'm curious, I've never cooked with Impossible meat before, is the "meat" just already salted/seasoned well? When I make a burger I definitely add quite a bit of salt while cooking, wondering if that sodium is just it being pre-seasoned or if that's before a (needed) good pinch of salt

[–] quixotic120 12 points 1 year ago

It’s probably from the yeast extract which is part of the heme

To be clear tho it still doesn’t have all that much salt. It’s more that raw beef just barely has any. Both impossible meat and raw beef pale in comparison to the salt content of the final burger, where the sodium content skyrockets from things like ketchup, pickles, seasoning the patty during cooking, the salt content of the bun, etc

And imo you should still salt/pepper an impossible patty after formation. As mentioned, while the salt content is higher, it’s still not terribly high, and imo it benefits from a bit more. In my experience it’s not like meat and you can salt whenever you want (whereas with beef you generally want to salt patties absolutely last minute to avoid giving the meat a lightly cured texture)

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This was very fascinating. Do you work in the industry?

[–] quixotic120 28 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I wanted to very badly but then life happened and now I have a whole other career!

I still cook a lot though and I have a lot of weird powders and additives and machinery for stuff. I have a whole ass refrigerated centrifuge that can spin 3 liters at a time so I can isolate my own pea and soy protein in quantity! It weighs like 350 pounds and it’s from the 80s but fuck it, it’s super cool and I was able to get it for $25 from a lab I interned at. I can’t make soy leghemoglobin at home though at there’s no commercial supplier I’ve found so far so I have to still buy impossible or beyond meat if I want it, bummer

Hopefully there will be more food nerds on lemmy. I am only an amateur food nerd, there are way better ones out there

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[–] Rob 88 points 1 year ago (18 children)

If there’s one dish where I feel it’s a waste to eat animal meat, it’s hamburgers. Vegetarian alternatives have come a long way and in a burger they’re often the superior option.

There’s a small difference for sure, but the BM patties are far from inferior. And much of the difference is masked by condiments anyway.

[–] Brunbrun6766 38 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Nothing pisses me off more than seeing "wagyu beef burger" on a menu. What's the fucking point if you're gonna grind it up and shape it into a patty

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They still use the burger parts for burger. They’re not taking a ribeye and grinding it up and selling it at a loss.

Is it a dumb thing for dumb people? Maybe. You would think the extra fat would just cook off and it wouldn’t go very far vs uncooked weight.

I wouldn’t buy one but I wouldn’t want that meat to go to waste either.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (19 children)

I personally think like the complete opposite - if there's anything that's a waste, it's a beyond meat burger, because veggie burgers are like, really fucking good. Why on earth would you settle for an inferior pretend product when you can instead have a really good thing that's not pretending to be something else?

Miss me with that fake meat stuff and bring back actual veggie burgers! I got a real nice sweet potato and refried black bean one I've been working on for a while now

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[–] gmtom 62 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Lemmy has a different ides of what counts as food porn.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah this'd be like TastyFood in the old place. But I always thought FoodPorn was too unrealistic. Like, every bun had to have that glossy brown sheen or it was crap, etc.

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[–] GONADS125 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I think that's more a reflection on amount of content producers than anything else.

I don't mean any disrespect to OP because that looks good and I can't cook for shit, but I agree with you that this isn't the sort of content I would expect.

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[–] sturmblast 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like a lot of you never had a good hamburger in your life

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[–] theragu40 37 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I'm gonna need an explanation of your bun situation. From here that looks like you're using extra wide english muffins or something.

[–] Mr_Blott 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

Are we just glossing over the colour and plasticity of the cheese too?

Nothing is that orange and shiny

[–] forgotaboutlaye 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It looks like Kerrygold pre sliced cheddar or the like. Usually it gets a bit sweaty as it melts.

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[–] daellat 35 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I really enjoy BM's burger personally. Taste is good but the real kicker is the texture and how it really has some body to it. What's the consensus on them?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I personally think the flavour is off but the texture is good, I personally prefer impossible burger

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Impossible taste is nearly a replica of beef. And when you surround it in burger toppings, it could trick me

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[–] Dettweiler42 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've had them before. The flavor is a bit different and the texture is a little softer, but it's pretty close. All in all, they taste very good and they're filling like a normal burger; albeit a little expensive compared to meat.

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[–] GONADS125 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can't wait for lab-grown meat.

"From lab to slab!"

[–] atx_aquarian 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
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[–] Clown_Tempura 29 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Both of these look pretty mediocre. wtf are you doing with the cheese? lmao

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

They both look terrible tbh

[–] cley_faye 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I'm not sure how I am supposed to judge food based on pictures. It could look like dwarf barf, if it tastes and feel good it's ok.

[–] too_much_too_soon 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I can't even tell which is which. Based on the beef patties I had last night, the right is the meat. But the left could be meat too - but cooked by a heathen on a very very low grill. But as you say, who cares if it tastes great? I don't even need Beyond meat to taste like meat if it tastes delicious.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Wow. Can we please be more sensitive about little people? They are a small group that is usually overlooked. And just so you know, "dwarf barf" as you call it, looks the same as anyone else's barf. Tastes the same too. A little sweeter, actually, because of all the little cookies they eat.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Had Beyond a few times, it's really impressive. I'm not a vegetarian (sorry) but rather a meat reducer. Keep making stuff like this available and I and many people like me will have no more excuses.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We should make a “just alright food” community

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[–] solstice 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm a fan of Beyond meat but this doesn't qualify as food porn. They look ok I guess but definitely not porn level.

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[–] EdibleFriend 12 points 1 year ago

You seem to have accidently put the cheese on the bottom.

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