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More than 20 Ohio counties rejected Issue 1 on Tuesday and most of them were suburban and exurban counties that voted for Donald Trump in 2020.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 years ago

It affects them personally

[–] DarraignTheSane 53 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Oh so some Republicans still quietly like freedom, got it.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 years ago

Every poll specifically about about abortion routinely shows 60%+ in favor of allowing it. You need more than anti abortion to win an election.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago

They aren't rights when they can be taken away. We have temporary privileges.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Because this was about more than just abortion. The November vote (specifically about abortion) could be an entirely different story.

[–] sylver_dragon 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ya, that was my reading of this. It seems like "Issue 1" was a change in the Ohio Constitutional process. Yes, it was absolutely aimed at the potential abortion rights amendment; however, it makes much more sweeping changes and there may be people who were opposed to such changes on their own merit.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

Precisely! In addition to abortion, Ohioans are working on recreational marijuana which also would've needed the insanely high 60% vote, had this issue passed.

[–] astanix 3 points 2 years ago

It's funny because the pro issue one people on my Facebook were all either completely focused on abortion or the fact that currently a 50.1% vote (or a single person) determined the outcome of something.

Both just completely disingenuous arguments... but arguments that are successful to a certain group of people.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Issue one wasn't about abortion, no matter how much people want it to be. Convoluting it with the November abortion rights issue will only give false confidence for the November vote. It's going to be a much tighter vote than what this was. Plenty of people across the political spectrum saw the long reaching implications passing issue one would have and voted it down for being a power grab.

[–] SiegeRhino 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As an Ohio resident it's extremely frustrating that every national news outlet is trying to equate the issue 1 vote with abortion rights. Issue 1 would have fundamentally changed how citizens can interact with our constitution by making voter initiatives almost impossible to pass.

Yes, our farcical GOP government went on record saying this issue was in response to the November initiative about abortion rights, but this vote if passed would have made every other future voter initiative all but impossible to pass. It would have consolidated power into the hands of the minority. I'm so thankful people turned out to vote it down.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

Issue 1 would have fundamentally changed how citizens can interact with our constitution by making voter initiatives almost impossible to pass.

Honestly - I think it was about both, but the November ballot initiative was absolutely the catalyst. Why else would lawmakers call an August election (something recently abolished), out of a seemingly new concern about ballot initiatives? A power grab was absolutely the goal, but there's a reason they tried for it now.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Time for republicans to split into two parties.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's the only way I can see happening that would preserve our democracy. A part of GOP is clearly for authoritarianism and that's not negotiable to them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah. The part that’s always screaming about freedom. The irony is maddening.

[–] Hazdaz 13 points 2 years ago

We should look at this data differently.

Democrats should figure out why they are uncompetitive in those Red counties even though there are enough people out there who agree with Dems on at least some of these issues. They should be leveraging that common issue to try to win those counties over.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

While it was super obvious that it was aimed at the upcoming abortion vote I'd think it would be universally unpopular to more or less remove the ability to get grassroots proposals on a ballot.

But its prob more like the cat is out of the bag on abortion rights. We've had a generation of the freedom to get abortion care and its gotta be hard to follow through banning that option for yourself no matter how much you run your mouth about opposing it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

I'm colorblind and that map gives me a sad 😭