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Summary: "Beyoncé is selling “listening only” tickets for her Renaissance tour. The seats are behind the stage, so you can’t see any of the set or dancing, but they only cost $157 compared to the ~$900 fans have been paying for regular US tickets."

haha!

fuuuuuuuck that.

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[–] ren 76 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m reminded of the meme:

“Capitalism breeds innovation!

The innovation:”

So does this mean what used to be “the cheap seats” become mid-tier seats? This makes me think of this sub-economy airline tickets. Everything just gets worse and worse.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It is the E3 part (the Eventual Enshittification of Everything) of Capitalism that They forgot to warn Us about when They invented it.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Fuck these ultra wealthy pop stars. They are part of the problem. There are millions of independent artists across hundreds of genres we can support instead.

And I know it's subjective to a large extent but 90% of pop is absolute garbage.

[–] ren 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

while Beyonce et al are part of the problem, the ticket monopoly giant capitalist machine sure ain't helping - and that affects even indie artists with a decent following.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

True but I go to shows for bands all the time that don't fuck with ticket master and do it all DIY, never paid more than 20-30$ for a ticket.

Those monopolies suck but Beyonce doesn't need to be charging that much money for you to listen and not even be able to see it. It's a greedy cash grab and she looks disgusting doing it.

[–] ren 5 points 1 year ago

100%

It just absolutely sucks that Ticketmaster dominates mainstream organized concert going.

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[–] Son_of_dad 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What do you expect from a woman who claims to empower girls, while making them work in her sweatshops, while she's off doing private concerts for amoral Saudi princes.

[–] drmoose 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not one to hate on pop stars but her image always perplexed me. She's clearly an awful human being but somehow avoids being canceled because she's pretending to empower minorities.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Outside of BLM, her image since she went independent has always been to be strategically silent on a lot. She doesn't tweet or even try to communicate her views on the world.

Interviews from when she was in Destiny's Child show she had the education of someone you would expect who spent their teen years working on their singing career instead of focusing on high school or going to college.

She is a symbol because she can be a symbol. Her PR team seem to operate the same way the British Royal Family does; don't comment on controversy and heavily control press events.

And it works.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@HobbitFoot I saw some video last week talking about how Jay-Z was one of the faces of Black Conservatism and I’d never really considered it. Their marriage always seemed more like a corporate merger to consolidate power and branding potential. So it wouldn’t shock me if she’s a very careful curated personality to maximize profits than anything.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I used to go to a lot of concerts, but after COVID they got too expensive. $100 is insane for a ticket. $900 is almost rent. Who is her target audience?

[–] fugepe 14 points 1 year ago

you got a lot of imbeciles in this world. So them

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait 900$ for a concert? That's dumb enough for me.

[–] ren 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

they've gotten crazy if you are a big-big name like Swift, Beyonce, Drake, etc. Don't know how people can drop that kind of scratch!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know if there is anything in live entertaining I would pay 900, or actually I'm pretty sure there is nothing.

[–] thelongshot93 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Festivals where you're there for multiple days and seeing dozens of artists are the only thing I'd drop money like that on. One artist? Not a chance.

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[–] weeoooweeooo 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I saw this posted elsewhere a few days ago, and people made a good point that folks who are blind or have limited vision still go to concerts and will buy those tickets. The price is another I guess, but the seats themselves are valuable to the blind community.

[–] pozbo 25 points 1 year ago

To be fair, a blind person probably wouldn't know the difference.

These aren't marketed as "handicap accessible seating" but rather as "yall poors can't afford my $900 stadium seats, so I have to capitulate at the request of my management team".

I appreciate your optimism, though!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Every sunday I put my trash on the curb which gives the homeless an opportunity to rummage through it for anything useful. Simply put Im a philanthropist. Im also really good at putting lipstick on a pig.

[–] ren 12 points 1 year ago

I'm all for accessibility but I don't think this that's what this is.

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[–] FReddit 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd pay $157 for Beyonce to shut the fuck up.

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[–] cokane_88 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I don't understand why people are willing to pay that much for tickets. The "market" is ridiculously inflated. After my last experience at a live nation event first and only one in a long time, not for me not dealing with that cluster fuck and rip off trap ever again.

Live nation ticket checking procedure is dumb AF. You have to be online to show the ticket but because the Wi-Fi and 5g arent working because 10k plus people are trying to use them it causes a problem. Then they don't give you an arm band so every time I had to piss or whatever I had to show my ticket to get back to my seat. I cussed them out the 3rd time, almost got booted. I hate getting controlled like idiot sheep. Live nation doesn't accept cash and want 17 bucks a drink. Force you to buy liquid death water too because fuck you pay me.

I'm sticking to smaller venues, ones that dont have share holders to impress.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

I agree with your sentiments, but you don't need to cuss out the people just working at the venue. By all means boycott any and all events that go through live nation / ticketmaster, but there's no need to pour your anger on the venue workers.

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[–] Nioxic 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If i was forced to buy a ticket, i would prefer the cheaper one.

900 dollars... lol

[–] ren 35 points 1 year ago

900 is insane. Ain’t no concert worth the price of a computer where I can make my own damn music lol.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Before everyone freaks out (and yes, this shit is stupid-expensive), Beyoncé isn't a complete piece of shit. But I guess you can afford this when you charge that much:

Beyoncé’s tour paid $100,000 to extend DC Metro hours after weather delayed show

Beyoncé’s “Renaissance” tour paid $100,000 to keep all 98 Metro stations in the Washington, DC, area open for an extra hour after Sunday’s show at the outdoor FedExField venue was delayed because of heavy rain and lightning, a news release from the transit authority said.

[–] Nfntordr 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Times like these I'm so glad I love metal. I can pay 30 bucks to WATCH, listen and go sick to a band full of talent. I'd be livid if I was an artist and saw that my fans were having to pay $900

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm watching 156 quality bands at brutal assault for like 100 euro

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

I paid $60 for 5th row tickets to Ween at red rocks and $5 for a hit of acid - probably better than a front row Beyoncé ticket. $900 for anything but a combined front row/meet and greet/over the pants HJ from an artist sounds just absolutely insane to me.

[–] TheControlled 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Blind people might be interested?

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[–] SirStumps 13 points 1 year ago

This sounds like streaming music with extra steps.

[–] legion 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So by Beyonce's own math, only about 17% of her performance's value is actually the music.

Sounds about right.

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[–] ramble81 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's like a Live CD but with extra steps.

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[–] WorldieBoi 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How much does it cost to listen from the rest rooms?

[–] dilligasatall 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

$75 but shit tickets are $25 per single ply square.

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[–] Hazdaz 9 points 1 year ago

Beyonce is worth over $1/2 BILLION. Fuck off.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

the new VIP tickets will be listening from under the stage and having the opportunity to catch glimpses of the performance through the floorboards

[–] Multech 8 points 1 year ago

This is just fucking ridiculous. Paying $157 to go to a concert for a regular seat for me is already a bit much, let alone this bullshit. The saddest thing is that I bet these seats will still sell out.

[–] cordillera 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Nothing wrong with liking pop but she has vastly more money than I will ever earn. I rather support indie or up and coming performers that won't take my financial support for granted.

Also helps to enjoy a wide variety of music so if one scene is getting overpriced or doesn't tour your area, you can still enjoy and support other acts.

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[–] TheBestUsername 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

My nosebleed Taylor Swift concert tickets were cheaper than this, and I didn't miss a single scene of the show.

Beyoncé really thinks she's better than Taylor?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Beyoncé really thinks she’s better than Taylor?

Why not? Her fans do. You say it like its something that can be true, that one artist's art is objectively better than another's. I think they both make uninspired boring music personally. In either case they are both very popular and sell out shows wherever they go.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

While this is shitty, I don't really care about Beyoncé and didn't subscribe to this community to see news about her. I hope it doesn't end up as a dunking on mainstream music community instead of a showcasing sweet alternative music community.

[–] ren 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I hear you, this is really more about the state of concerts & concert tickets which medium-sized and old-school alternative & indie acts still have to deal with… Pearl Jam has fought the good fight since the 90s, The Cure is still dealing with it 30 years later.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I reckon it’s good call posting this article. It’s painfully obvious we aren’t here to discuss Beyoncé and her catalogue or talent. Got some really nice engagement with this one.👍

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[–] fugepe 6 points 1 year ago

Empowering, yaaaaaaaaaas queen!

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