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[–] [email protected] 11 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

Answering single handed on me iPhone 12 mini on latest iOS 😇

It is a great small phone!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago

I second this.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (3 children)

There were benefits to the comically-large form factor, though. Touch keyboards worked significantly better with larger screens,

No, the tiny soft-keyboard on my old Galaxy Xcover is significantly easier to type than any modern phone. Less movement of the finger, easier targeting of the buttons. I'm always surprised anew, each time i dust it off and play with it.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (4 children)

I don't want a small phone or a slide out keyboards.

I want :
Replaceable battery.
Non glass back.
3.5 jack.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

3.5 jack is easy, most budget phones have them (along with a MicroSD card slot)

The replaceable battery? That's gonna be hard to find. There the obvious Fairphone, but its very costly for its specs and is only made for EU, and even if someone from the US imports it, the only US carrier allowing it is Tmobile.

Samsung Galaxy XCover series have IP67 Water resistance, headphone jack, and MicroSD card slot, and the replaceable battery, but its specs are not that good for its cost (as reported by various Reddit users).

I wouldn't trust the water resistance tho. One drop into a puddle and the back comes off exposing the internals.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

The xcovers backs usually stay on when you drop them and the back only really holds the battery in. The internals are protected by another layer of plastic.

As you say the specs do suck though.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (8 children)

Why can't we go back to small phones?

The iPhone SE is dead,

Is there any chance that you chose to lock yourself into a very small walled garden with a vendor who might make decisions about product that you might not agree with?

Apple is the only one making iOS phones, and Apple doesn't seem interested in small devices anymore, so that door is shut.

Right. You stick yourself in that garden, you are gambling that the vendor is going to come out with the product that you want.

There are still a few niche companies working on smaller devices, like Unihertz, but those phones almost always have low-end hardware and limited software support.

Well, size is kind of a constraint on what hardware you can put in the thing.

If what you mean by "limited software support" is "apps are going to be optimized for the bulk of users and will probably feel small if the great bulk of users are using larger screens", well...I mean, yeah.

The iPhone 3 SE you have:

4.7-inch (diagonal) widescreen LCD Multi‑Touch display with IPS technology

1334-by-750-pixel resolution at 326 ppi

Memory 4 GB LPDDR4X RAM

https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2022&nRamMin=8000&fDisplayInchesMax=5.5

Let's grab one from that list:

https://www.gsmarena.com/ulefone_armor_mini_20t_pro-13298.php

Size 4.7 inches, 53.3 cm2 (~63.1% screen-to-body ratio)

Same screen size as your phone.

Resolution 720 x 1600 pixels, 20:9 ratio (~373 ppi density)

30 pixels narrower, but 266 pixels taller than your phone.

8GB RAM

Twice the memory of your phone.

Can buy online in the US:

https://www.amazon.com/Ulefone-Armor-Mini-20T-Pro/dp/B0DJ74TQXT

And it was released October 2024, so it's pretty new.

Now, you may not be able to get an iOS phone that fits your hardware wants, but them's the breaks when you go with a platform that has only a single vendor making hardware for it.

[–] Zak 6 points 9 hours ago

That phone isn't actually small. It has a small screen, but it's 25mm thick and weighs 300g.

[–] iarigby 6 points 11 hours ago

“walled garden” - how many 5.4” android phones can you name from the current decade?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

I agree, it's like the author is saying "why this public-market company I trusted blindly is not doing what I (minority) want?"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago

I think it’s a valid criticism that should be welcomed. You could make this argument for any company when they make a bad decision.

“Oh well you trusted this company blindly so why are you upset and criticizing this design choice you don’t agree with.”

I also am not convinced a criticism is less meaningful if it’s the minority opinion. Many such cases in the world where the minority opinion is proven to be better for the majority.

[–] Sustolic 21 points 17 hours ago

RAM is a horrible indication of phone performance imo.

The A15 chip in the iPhone 3 SE absolutely destroys the Dimensity 6300 chip in the 8GB phone you linked

A lot of people had liked iPhone because for the longest time android phones were not able to compete in the cpu/gpu space especially around the time of the iPhone 11.

Although now at the high end android phones are much closer together in performance so it’s more about what features you care about more between the phones.

[–] JustARaccoon 10 points 17 hours ago

The truth is though that it's not an apple-specific thing. On the android side Asus was the last large phone maker to ship modern small phones, and even they have taken over their zenfone line (small phones line) with a large phone for the ZenFone 11.

Based on reports from companies, it sounds like the market is just not there, at least not big enough to warrant the R&D compared to "regular" phones which make them good money.

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[–] Pregnenolone 28 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

How many times is this going to be regurgitated? The question has been well and truly answered.

We don’t buy them.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

That, and small phones on the Android side are often nerfed beyond reason, like a bottom-of-the-barrel Mediatek SoC with low RAM and shit storage option instead of the bigger model's Snapdragon and quality storage, or shit cameras, or garbage screen resolution, etc etc.

There is something to be said about the larger variant having more room for better cameras, but outside of that, the nerfing feels almost intentional.

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[–] [email protected] 169 points 1 day ago (22 children)

I want a repairable phone. A phone where I can replace the battery

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 day ago (10 children)

And screen. And buttons.

I also want something that's supported more than 3 years so there's a point to repairing it. Ideally, support should come from the community so it can be infinite as long as someone is willing to do the work.

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[–] surph_ninja 8 points 16 hours ago (6 children)

When are we finally going to get curved phones on some kind of bracer? They wear them in every futuristic movie, we finally have curved screens, and no one’s made one for wearing on your forearm yet.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

Because they're fucking stupid.

I can pick up a phone in either hand and type on it using only that hand, and I can play games using both hands at once. If I'm using a bracer, it means I can't do anything else with either hand or use my off hand to interact with it.

The only problem a bracer solves is not having pockets, but even then you still need to wear a bracer.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 15 hours ago

Bracer if unbreakable could be decent to use a gadget for industry applications, I think. Easier to check the screen, without keeping one of your arms off to do so

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

I don’t understand why so many people here keep saying that it’s too hard to make a small phone when all these companies literally make watches with 5G connections…

[–] [email protected] 40 points 22 hours ago (6 children)

They always lean a little too hard into making the small one the "budget" phone and end up gimping it into something nobody wants, and yet they still don't make it cost attractive.

Compared to the SomePhone Pro, the SomePhone Mini has:

  • 6GB of RAM rather than 8. (I mean, okay, what do I need that much RAM for?)
  • 128GB onboard storage rather than 512GB (Those chips are the same footprint so that wasn't done for miniaturization, but I don't store a lot on my phone so ok)
  • No SD card slot. (I suppose you could argue that IS for miniaturization but it's still a kick in the pants)
  • 1080p display rather than 4k. (fine, the PPI is still finer than my eyes)
  • 3100mAh battery instead of 3600 (You know the reduced resolution on the display will probably make up for that anyway)
  • No NFC (really?)
  • No fast charging (fucking sigh)
  • No wireless charging (pegwarmer says what?)
  • 5.9 inch 9:21 display (so it's 89% the size of the Pro model anyway?)
  • a laptop grade VGA camera (you're actively trying to make this product fail, aren't you?)
  • Locked bootloader, locked carrier (because of course)
  • $899 instead of $949 MSRP (Okay just stop saying words and drown yourself in the septic tank)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

Hell I wish the big phones had SD card slots...

There are very very few phones that have them anymore. Chinese phones, Sony, fairphone, and Samsung midrange, that is about it...

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[–] Sterile_Technique 100 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Why can't we go back to small phones?

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[–] [email protected] 103 points 1 day ago (45 children)

Well, I can't speak for everyone else, but I can't go back because they don't sell any small phones.

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[–] Imhotep 25 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

people spend a third of their lives on those things. And while cumbersome, a big screen simply is better for media consumption

only way I see smaller phones make a comeback is if we change our habits or if a new technology comes along

[–] [email protected] 5 points 15 hours ago

I would rather spend this time on a device with a 15' screen and a comfortable keyboard. A phone is just that - a secondary device. That needs to be comfortable to hold and type on with one hand while the other holds onto the subway railing.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Yes please. I really dislike iOS, but I use the iPhone 13 Mini for work and it's the perfect form factor. I desperately want an Android phone that's the same size, but I'm rocking a Flip which is the best I can do for small form factor right now.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

The iPhone 13 mini was the perfect size and if Apple would have used that as a base for their new SE instead of the shitty 16e, I would have bought it in a heartbeat. Just give me a thicc 13 mini with a good battery, camera and a new processor.

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