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I'm a huge fan of old movies. Now, when I say old I don't mean movies from ten, twenty, or even thirty or forty years ago. I love movies from the Golden Age of Hollywood, specifically the 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s. I've always loved this period, and given how hard it is to find many of these movies on streaming, I've made an effort to buy as many of these movies on physical media as possible. As such, I have thousands of old movies on DVD, and among my most treasured titles are a few dozen DVD box sets Warner Bros put out in the mid-2000s, as they control the best library of classic film.

A few months ago, I dug into an old Humphrey Bogart box set to watch a favorite of mine, Passage to Marseille. After about an hour, the disc simply stopped working. The same thing happened with another movie from the set, Across the Pacific. I actually thought my old Blu-ray player was to blame, and given that I was in need of an upgrade anyway, I bought a new UHD player and just forgot about it.

Flash forward to about a week ago, when I decided to throw on an old Errol Flynn movie called Desperate Journey. The same thing happened. This was more concerning to me, as, unlike the other movies I mentioned, this has never gotten an HD release and was unavailable digitally. I did a little research online, and to my horror, I landed on several home theater forum threads (and a couple of good videos) confirming this was no fluke.

It turns out that virtually every Warner Bros DVD disc manufactured between 2006 and 2008 has succumbed to the dreaded laser rot, where discs simply stop working due to a rotting of the layers. Once it happens, it can't be undone. This was a frequent problem with laserdiscs back in the 80s and 90s, but it wasn't a huge problem with DVDs. The issue comes down to the way the discs were authored. Many of the titles affected, which range from classics like The Wild Bunch and The Shawshank Redemption to TV collections like The Dukes of Hazzard, have been reissued on Blu-ray or digital HD. Some of the titles, such as many of the titles in the Looney Tunes Collections and many of the Golden Age of Hollywood movies, have not, making them, in a lot of cases, lost media.

So, what can be done about this? Nothing. As stated in this RetroBlasting video, we had ticking time bombs on our hands, and the only way around the problem was to rip our faves to something like PLEX, but it's too late for the majority of discs. Warner Bros, of course, has yet to comment on this, so people like me have thousands of worthless discs cluttering our shelves. Here's the most comprehensive list of titles available.

So far, Blu-ray Discs aren't affected, although all HD-DVD discs put out by WB in this period are basically expensive coasters.

While it would be great of WB was to try to make good to consumers by at least offering us replacement MOD discs from the Warner Archive, I'm not holding my breath. Given that the discs only went bad after fifteen years or so, I'm sure they feel like we got our money's worth -- which we certainly didn't in my opinion. Special shout out to Damn Fool Idealistic Crusader, a superb Home Theater YouTube Channel that was way ahead of this story.

UPDATE: According to one of our readers, FilmFan-89, WB will replace some discs if you contact them directly, with a catch. They will only replace discs that are currently in print, and sadly, many of the defective titles are not. Reach out to them through the WB Store and keep us posted in the comment thread if they come through with replacements.

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[–] Tarquinn2049 44 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 day ago (5 children)

No storage medium is eternal.

It's kind of touching to think how every moment will disappear at some point.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Clay tablets it is ..... the Sumerians knew what they were doing.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

The dude who coined the phrase "nothing is written in stone" was pretty ignorant about history.

[–] ThePantser 17 points 1 day ago

As long as you keep backing up the digital files to new drives every few years the files will stay almost exact. But a powered down HDD should stay pretty prestine if you just use it as backup.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

All of those.....moments.....will be lost in time. Like tears in the rain.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Etched glass storage can survive for insane periods of time, but is probably extremely expensive to write to. It might be better for things like offworld backups of human knowledge, almost like seed vaults.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

M-Discs exist. Blu-rays, Vinyls and CDs are usually sufficient for a life. This is why physical media is important.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

early CDs suffered from the data layer literally falling off, some blu rays are known to suffer from bit rot, vinyl gets damaged whenever it's played.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Lasers write to glass too

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

To borrow from the racing world: Speed costs money son, how fast you wanna go?

Replication/Duplication/backup, with error detection is key.

Datacenter folks have been working on this stuff since the 90's, probably earlier with punched card/paper tape systems.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I worked with the Missouri Historical Society years ago to archive some footage I'd shot of the St Louis city streetscape. It was all on digital video, but the archivists insisted on converting it to an analog medium (u-matic video tapes). Their reasoning was that all media degrades, but that analog at least degrades gracefully. Magnetic tape has the capability of sitting in storage, untouched and un-cared-for, and still be quite viewable with minimal degradation. Digital media becomes corrupted very easily, and requires constant replication and backups, which can be very expensive for massive archives. For media that may or may not ever be touched again, why not pick a medium that requires the least amount of maintenance?

Dear hiring managers: this scenario would probably make an intriguing interview question.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't know that I agree. Long term digital media for storage does exist, and recovering partially damaged digital files is a thing, at least if the files are encoded in more resilient ways. I used to work with archival digital TV tapes and I restored damaged fields and frames on old tapes I pulled from storage for broadcast constantly, even directly on the tape, before doing so using nonlinear editing was the standard. And modern mass storage servers have insane built-in redundancies that can recover entire drives at a time, if you can afford to keep them running. Plus the advantage of being constantly accessible and actually telling you when a drive is failing so you can repair it instead of finding out if something has degraded only when you try to play it back.

For analogue originals it's a bit of a different story, but for a digital recording that is getting perfectly replicated it seems to me more like an opinionated stance than a practical one and very dependent on what you're storing and how you're using what's stored.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I would also agree.

For digital media, you can tell with a scrub whether the data has been damaged, instantly. And if it has, you can restore from a backup where it hasn't.

If you pick a format that everyone and their mum can support (something MPEG2 and high bitrate in a broadcast grade format), you reduce the risk of people being unable to decode.

As for going digital>analogue for archiving...I'm wincing, and hoping that they at least kept the originals.

In this case, I'm guessing that they had a standard format they wanted everything in.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

To add, current digital storage architectures (things like ZFS) have impressive error prevention via replication.

[–] mojofrododojo 11 points 1 day ago

They will only replace discs that are currently in print,

and those will probably suffer from the same issues. fuck.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

They all will rot and this has been known for a while. Ripping your library early on as high a quality as you can afford to store was always the move.

I would argue that replacing a time-damaged piece of media is also a perfectly valid use case to take a backup from a different source, too, but that's of course not allowed under the current broken copyright rules.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

For DVD, it depends almost entirely on storage conditions, and particularly humidity. DVD-Rs are more susceptible.

Blu-rays will outlive us all, though.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why will blurays be unaffected?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Disc rot is a problem with LaserDiscs, early CDs, and poorly-made DVDs. It's a manufacturing problem, not something inherent in optical media. Generally the problem in the early discs is the adhesive.

Blu-rays have a protective coating, unlike earlier formats. As an example, BD-REs record data by means of a kind of metallic "ink" and are expected to last for 20-50 years. Commercial discs, by contrast, are pressed, meaning data is physically etched into the disc. That means they're expected to last significantly longer than rewritable media.

The real problem will be the players.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's cool, I thought dvds were pressed too

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

They are, but disc rot in CDs and DVDs is typically caused by the aluminum reflective layer oxidizing, frequently caused by adhesive separation. Blu-rays were specifically designed to be more resilient; they have a silver alloy for their reflective layer instead of aluminum, and their protective layer is much thicker.

(CDs have an ultra-thin protective layer. DVDs have a thicker one and are thus much less susceptible. Blu-rays have a significantly thicker layer than DVDs.)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Took me precisely 3 minutes to find Desperate Journey in 480p 7.98GB file On The High Seas, it's there

[–] daggermoon 3 points 1 day ago

That explains why my copy of the Shawshank Redemption won't rip.