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I'm a huge fan of old movies. Now, when I say old I don't mean movies from ten, twenty, or even thirty or forty years ago. I love movies from the Golden Age of Hollywood, specifically the 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s. I've always loved this period, and given how hard it is to find many of these movies on streaming, I've made an effort to buy as many of these movies on physical media as possible. As such, I have thousands of old movies on DVD, and among my most treasured titles are a few dozen DVD box sets Warner Bros put out in the mid-2000s, as they control the best library of classic film.

A few months ago, I dug into an old Humphrey Bogart box set to watch a favorite of mine, Passage to Marseille. After about an hour, the disc simply stopped working. The same thing happened with another movie from the set, Across the Pacific. I actually thought my old Blu-ray player was to blame, and given that I was in need of an upgrade anyway, I bought a new UHD player and just forgot about it.

Flash forward to about a week ago, when I decided to throw on an old Errol Flynn movie called Desperate Journey. The same thing happened. This was more concerning to me, as, unlike the other movies I mentioned, this has never gotten an HD release and was unavailable digitally. I did a little research online, and to my horror, I landed on several home theater forum threads (and a couple of good videos) confirming this was no fluke.

It turns out that virtually every Warner Bros DVD disc manufactured between 2006 and 2008 has succumbed to the dreaded laser rot, where discs simply stop working due to a rotting of the layers. Once it happens, it can't be undone. This was a frequent problem with laserdiscs back in the 80s and 90s, but it wasn't a huge problem with DVDs. The issue comes down to the way the discs were authored. Many of the titles affected, which range from classics like The Wild Bunch and The Shawshank Redemption to TV collections like The Dukes of Hazzard, have been reissued on Blu-ray or digital HD. Some of the titles, such as many of the titles in the Looney Tunes Collections and many of the Golden Age of Hollywood movies, have not, making them, in a lot of cases, lost media.

So, what can be done about this? Nothing. As stated in this RetroBlasting video, we had ticking time bombs on our hands, and the only way around the problem was to rip our faves to something like PLEX, but it's too late for the majority of discs. Warner Bros, of course, has yet to comment on this, so people like me have thousands of worthless discs cluttering our shelves. Here's the most comprehensive list of titles available.

So far, Blu-ray Discs aren't affected, although all HD-DVD discs put out by WB in this period are basically expensive coasters.

While it would be great of WB was to try to make good to consumers by at least offering us replacement MOD discs from the Warner Archive, I'm not holding my breath. Given that the discs only went bad after fifteen years or so, I'm sure they feel like we got our money's worth -- which we certainly didn't in my opinion. Special shout out to Damn Fool Idealistic Crusader, a superb Home Theater YouTube Channel that was way ahead of this story.

UPDATE: According to one of our readers, FilmFan-89, WB will replace some discs if you contact them directly, with a catch. They will only replace discs that are currently in print, and sadly, many of the defective titles are not. Reach out to them through the WB Store and keep us posted in the comment thread if they come through with replacements.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't know that I agree. Long term digital media for storage does exist, and recovering partially damaged digital files is a thing, at least if the files are encoded in more resilient ways. I used to work with archival digital TV tapes and I restored damaged fields and frames on old tapes I pulled from storage for broadcast constantly, even directly on the tape, before doing so using nonlinear editing was the standard. And modern mass storage servers have insane built-in redundancies that can recover entire drives at a time, if you can afford to keep them running. Plus the advantage of being constantly accessible and actually telling you when a drive is failing so you can repair it instead of finding out if something has degraded only when you try to play it back.

For analogue originals it's a bit of a different story, but for a digital recording that is getting perfectly replicated it seems to me more like an opinionated stance than a practical one and very dependent on what you're storing and how you're using what's stored.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I would also agree.

For digital media, you can tell with a scrub whether the data has been damaged, instantly. And if it has, you can restore from a backup where it hasn't.

If you pick a format that everyone and their mum can support (something MPEG2 and high bitrate in a broadcast grade format), you reduce the risk of people being unable to decode.

As for going digital>analogue for archiving...I'm wincing, and hoping that they at least kept the originals.

In this case, I'm guessing that they had a standard format they wanted everything in.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

To add, current digital storage architectures (things like ZFS) have impressive error prevention via replication.