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[–] [email protected] 7 points 40 minutes ago

Just for information: We know, from multiple studies, that working more than 40 hours a week for longer periods of time is extremly unhealthy for you. A week has 24*7 = 168 hours and you should sleep 8 hours. That are 56 hours and if you're working 60 hours, that leaves you with 52 hours or 7,5 hours per day for stuff like "commuting to work", "buying groceries", "brushing your teeth" , "family", "friends", "sport" or "this important appointment at the dentist".

And that 7,5 hours are without a weekend. This will kill you. You might be younger and feel strong, but this will kill you.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 hour ago

If it's within reach of a 60 hour week then it's within reach of a 30 hour week.

This LLM copycat bullshit is never going to be it though. It's not thinking, it's looking up the answers at the back of the book.

[–] satans_methpipe 2 points 15 minutes ago

Just a few more hours bro.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 minutes ago

Karoushi is the new cool trend. Everyone is doing it.

[–] iAvicenna 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 53 minutes ago)

wtf? why is everyone turning techbro all of a sudden even those who are supposed to be more knowledgeable on such stuff. Oh right because there is a bubble to sustain.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 hours ago

"Man who works 10 hours per year tells underlings to work 60 hours per week."

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 hours ago

I highly recommend Kara Swisher's recent book "Burn Book" for insights into the Tech lads like Brin, etc, as she's known most of them since the 90s.

Really helps contextualize the crazy cocktail of engineering/commercial power with general naivety a lot of these guys have going.

[–] rottingleaf 5 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

So he's saying they've exhausted the pool of applicants so badly to replace that with normal work weeks, just 150% amount of Googlers or maybe 200% amount of Googlers?

Power and fame break a man. Even if he wasn't broken from the beginning.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 45 minutes ago

He just wants more money and doesn't want to pay his workers. Google has been laying off thousands of people in the last year, so there really is no shortage of applicants. They could have just kept their current workforce, maybe?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

What I learned working with Googlers. They were dorks. Big ass dorks. Who got used by women because for the first time in their lives. They were attractive to these women. So many broken marriages and divorces from cheating husbands. That they joked about at the Christmas party. It was an eye opening experience.

[–] shortrounddev 16 points 4 hours ago

Who gives a fuck what Sergey brin thinks

[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 hours ago

Thought this was an Onion article!

Hey plebs! I demand you work 50% more to develop AGI so that I can replace you with robots and fire all of you and make myself a double plus plutocrat! Also, I want to buy an island, small city, Bunker, Spaceship, And/Or something.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Specifically, the women who report to him that he's attracted to need to spend 60 hours a week dating him.

Thanks for the input, Big Head.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

AGI requires a few key components that no LLM is even close to.

First, it must be able to discern truth based on evidence, rather than guessing it. Can’t just throw more data at it, especially with the garbage being pumped out these days.

Second, it must ask questions in the pursuit of knowledge, especially when truth is ambiguous. Once that knowledge is found, it needs to improve itself, pruning outdated and erroneous information.

Third, it would need free will. And that’s the one it will never get, I hope. Free will is a necessary part of intelligent consciousness. I know there are some who argue it does not exist but they’re wrong.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Third, it would need free will.

I strongly disagree there. I argue that not even humans have free will, yet we're generally intelligent so I don't see why AGI would need it either. In fact, I don't even know what true free will would look like. There are only two reasons why anyone does anything: either you want to or you have to. There's obviously no freedom in having to do something but you can't choose your wants and not-wants either. You helplessly have the beliefs and preferences that you do. You didn't choose them and you can't choose to not have them either.

[–] spicystraw 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (2 children)

I want chocolate, I don't eat chocolate, exercise of free will.

By your logic no alcoholic could possibly stop drinking and become sober.

In my humble opinion, free will does not mean we are free of internal and external motivators, it means that we are free to either give in to them or go against.

[–] semperverus 1 points 14 minutes ago (1 children)

Our universe is predeterministic. Block Universe (aka Eternalism).

Check mate.

[–] spicystraw 1 points 9 minutes ago

It's not according to quantum physics we observe

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 56 minutes ago) (1 children)

I want chocolate, I don’t eat chocolate, exercise of free will.

There’s a reason you don’t eat chocolate - likely health concerns or fear of weight gain. Your desire to stay healthy is stronger than your desire to eat chocolate. But you can’t take credit for that any more than you can blame an alcoholic for their inability to resist drinking.

[–] spicystraw 1 points 54 minutes ago (2 children)

I am curious to hear why you insist it's inevitable. What intrinsic properties of the universe make you believe that we don't have any choice and all our actions are set in stone?

[–] michaelmrose 1 points 22 minutes ago (1 children)

Your choice of words is an analytical failure it says that the the will somehow sitting on top of all those processes rather than being a function of them.

[–] spicystraw 1 points 10 minutes ago

I don't think my wording implies that the will is sitting on top of those processes, but rather that it's an emergent property of them. You're the one who's implying a false dichotomy - just because our choices might be influenced by prior causes doesn't mean we don't have agency. I'm asking what makes you think our actions are predetermined, not what makes you think we have some kind of magical free will that defies causality. Can you actually address the question I asked, rather than nitpicking my phrasing?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 29 minutes ago

For me. I think everything is physical, and there's always a cause and effect. There is no magical non-physical consciousness. A combination of your genetics, experiences, and environment determine the "choices" you make/actions you take. Free will is an illusion, IMO.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

The human mind isn't infinitely complex. Consciousness has to be a tractable problem imo. I watched Westworld so I'm something of an expert on the matter.

[–] art 2 points 2 hours ago

I guess we don't need it then.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 hours ago

I don't believe a single word of this bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 hours ago

That might speed it up, but that certainly is not a prerequisite.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 hours ago

I bet it would happen faster if this guy was fired.

[–] Phegan 42 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

He can fuck all the way off.

[–] rottingleaf 3 points 2 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

They warn us about AGI while simultaneously attempting to sell it to us.

[–] rottingleaf 2 points 2 hours ago

Black PR is PR too, it's like warnings about weapons of the future and combat robots and antiutopia for many people worked as an ad, and they want that exact future.

I think it's the same with AGI. People think Skynet is cool and want Skynet, because they think it's the future.

Except it's a bit less, like real fascism doesn't look similar to Warhammer, just to a criminal district ruled by a gang, scaled for a country.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Or just hire 50% more engineers? Or wait 50% longer?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 hours ago

with "hire more" you do run up against the "9 women can have a baby in 1 month" limit, but in this case it's likely to help.

[–] oakey66 112 points 10 hours ago (15 children)

AGI is not in reach. We need to stop this incessant parroting from tech companies. LLMs are stochastic parrots. They guess the next word. There's no thought or reasoning. They don't understand inputs. They mimic human speech. They're not presenting anything meaningful.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago

I promise this is relevant and worth the watch.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tBE06SdgzwM&t=3s

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

For how many years? Cuz y'all ain't anywhere near AGI. You can't even get generative AI to not suck compared to your competition in that market (which is a pretty low bar) lol

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