You cannot just lose just one generation of scientists.
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Let it happen! We in europe welcome them with open arms!
I have friends who are in scientific research and 100% of them from multiple institutions are affected by Trump. Every single one.
One is out of a job in early Jan. The others over the next 3 months. It's really bad.
I would say I'm sorry, but the part of the world I am from has been experiencing austerity, imposed by the USA (or the minions thereof).
Bring on the brain drain. Death to America.
consider how bad the job market it is for some stems before pandemic, its only getting worst anyways. some state university schools near my are cutting back alot, increasing tuition prices, reducing classes, and instructors some schools are considering combining with other nearby schools. theres also additional problems at the MS and PHD levels as well. Universities are holding onto tenured professors like they cant let them go, but not providing a path for graduates, or or adjuncts.
i checked my universities subreddit a few months back it was really bad. covid mainly made everyone take classes online, which caused students inability to learn anything, because you cant really focus on a subject when its just a powerpoint. I had a prof way before covid, and she only did biochemistry on powerpoint, and it was pretty much useless info since theres was very little learned very little. and her test questions are not even remotely close to what we learned on her lectures.
Great! Leave the US and come prosper in Canada.
Do not listen to him! Europe! Come to Europe! Great Benefits, long holidays and you can travel between multiple countries and temperature-zones. When staying in canada, you can only travel back to the US or take a plane to cross either one of the two biggest oceans to get anywhere. In Europe you can spend a decade without running out of places to go. Also: We love your brain. Please come to Europe!
My partner wants to go to Europe but I don't know what country or language.
Come to France, we have cheeze, and wine, and bread 🥖🍾🥐🧀
Time to do some research :)
Its hard to discuss with my partner since the idea of leaving the country is already too much to bare as it is.
English is the language of science, so I'd argue that any country in Schengen would be the most straightforward choice. Climates can differ greatly, though, even within one country, so I always compare the temperature, sunshine and precipitation stats before moving some place new.
Oh learned a new word today. Schengen. Hmm how interactions in grocery store be? I imagine local language?
Germany, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Finland. Not vouching for Czechia (my country) or Slovakia because the language could be a big barrier, but most people understand English and are used to it (at least workers in service).
Just make Canada part of EU, then you don't have to choose!
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Ive been telling my university phd friends to not make any plans to go to the US. They said i was overreacting but changed plans anyways. Glad they didnt go.
Scientists usually are the smart people. And they are potentially the more mobile employees. Of course they will notice when the ship is sinking...
they usually ditch long before that happens, remember when the usa was going through red scare, and started targeting chinese people, one of them fled to the CCP and was instrumental in chinas sudden transition to hydrogen bombs from fissionable bombs.
I'm pretty happy to see that Americans themselves are starting to see through the lie of "American Exceptionalism" that everyone else knew was propaganda decades ago.
Wow, that very randomly and suddenly reminds me that in Leiden, NL, they have a Bio-Science Park that is building mega lab after mega lab(Covid really shifted this bio park into sixth gear), with some plots still left to fill, right next to 2 highways! Schiphol is just a train stop away! If the price of living and housing won't deter you, nothing will!
Bonus fact: I used to jam riiiiiight there in the top right appartement of the block that's starts lowest in the picture with my band Karateklit. Not anymore, we have a new place :)
Highways in the Netherlands? You mean a bike highway? /s
So anyone has a good suggestion for countries that accept people with PhDs are are nice to different race of people (I have a mixed family). Lots of countries are starting to lean right so I'm a bit scared moving somewhere where I don't understand the native language since I saw how immigrants in US (and even people in their home country) like trump because they don't get the whole picture and only know news through multiple transfers and biases.
Even if the current administration goes back to what it was I feel like the attack on science and overall direction of the people's thoughts aren't going to change overnight and it might be hard living as a scientist.
In academia, I would guess most Europeans consider race a social construct and not a lens through which one judges other people. Yes, we’re all leaning more and more right, unfortunately, but race is seldom a major part of what makes someone an Other. (But I do know it can be, my daughter-in-law is from Uganda). Outside academia… I would hope most Europeans are more informed than most trumpists.
Scotland/Ireland doesn’t seem to be shifting right! Not like elsewhere anyway.
We have a weird dynamic in Glasgow where even our football hooligans are pro-Palestine and even showed up anti-blm marches (and chased them away).
Several unis here, lots of Serbians, Italians, Spaniards in the faculty and is more diverse than many of the English towns that rioted.
No riots here, we were doing this instead.
Pay will probably be shite comparatively and the weather is miserable but can’t fault it otherwise
Glasgow seems cool, and I've read that they are implementing more walkable and pedestrian/cyclist-friendly infrastructure too (slowly... but that is more than most of North America).
Some hope for humanity in that article.
Academia seems to have largely settled on English. Most graduate programs I have heard of are taught in English even if it's not an official language of the host country.
CERN was designed to stop the brain drain to the US after WWII. Hopefully Europe (the world) realizes the opportunity in front of them.
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Hey remember the brain drain US caused Canada for the past few decades? Would be nice to get some back
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