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[–] [email protected] 140 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Oh, it's still hated.

Epic couldn't make a superior product, so instead they bribed lots of game developers to make things Epic exclusive.

On top of that, even after being around for years, the Epic software is missing tons of features that Steam has had for years.

Epic bleeds obscene amounts of money to build a separate set of infrastructure, rather than actually trying to improve things for gamers.

Epic's ostensibly biggest benefit is that it charges less money per transaction to developers. But Epic has, at this point, given away hundreds of free games, and Steam has so many more people with a long history of buying games. So there's an argument to be made that Steam is still the better value, because it provides better exposure and a larger paying player base.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 days ago (1 children)

so instead they bribed lots of game developers to make things Epic exclusive.

Fuck Epic. I just lost the ability to play rocket league because they bought the developers, ripped it off of steam, and now force you to agree to some wickedly invasive TOS to have an epic account.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

They also immediately removed Linux support for Rocket League when they bought it, IIRC

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

They try to sell this image of being open platform suing Apple and Android, but then refuse to actually properly support something like Linux. And then remain quiet about cuts when it comes to Xbox and Playstation.

[–] ms_lane 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Don't forget they scan your Steam directory and upload your localsettings.vdf to Epic servers at regular intervals along with a unique fingerprint of your PC.

[–] lordnikon 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's also the reason I have 100s of games on epic and have never spent a dime on epic. When I like a game I by it on steam.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I never even bothered to make an Epic account to get the free games. I have so many games on Steam and GOG already, and I do most of my gaming with a Steam Link on my TV.

[–] lordnikon 5 points 4 days ago

I do it so the devs get paid and I get to try games before I pay for them. I would never use their app I use heroic instead.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 4 days ago
  1. It was insecure. It leaked credit card numbers and personal information like a sieve.
  2. It used CCP money to bribe companies into throwing away sales. An act that while was short term good for the companies, permanently poisoned them afterwards.
  3. They didnt have basic functionality like preloading games. They had to pay Gearbox to do that for them
  4. They still dont have feature parity with Steam, even for the few features they have
[–] marsara9 35 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I can't speak for anyone else but I can at least share why I didn't care for it.

Steam already exists and there isn't a lot I feel is missing from the Steam store. Not to mention there isn't anything that Epic does better than Valve for their storefronts. Epic doesn't provide any new value that Valve doesn't. In fact I'd argue that Epic causes negative value for several reasons:

  1. They essentially fragmented the PC market as now I can't access all of my games in a single location. The same reason for example that I hate that Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, HBO Max, etc ... exist. It just makes the overall experience less convenient and more expensive.

  2. Several features that Steam already has working are either broken or missing in the Epic Store. Especially around the shopping cart, etc ... I haven't gone to look recently to verify if any of these have been fixed and probably won't until the other points are addressed, if they even can be resolved.

  3. There's no level of trust with Epic compared to Steam. I have a massive Steam collection and Valve has shown time and time again that I can trust that my data is relatively safe with them. When was the last time you saw Valve in the media because of a data breach? When was the last time your Steam account got hacked. Epic is just new here so they haven't had a chance to earn that trust.

  4. Their motives for wanting to create a new store wasn't to improve the customer experience. Instead it was to improve their bottom line. The court cases against Google and Apple prove this. If they at least tried to have a PR campaign to show how Epic is innovating compared to Steam especially for making the customer experience better, the Epic Store might have sit better with me.

  5. Timed exclusives. Similar to point 1, but they were just trying to use their massive cash reserves from Fortnight to buy their way into the market rather than earn the trust of customers. This again resulted in fragmentation of the PC market.

Anyway, just my two cents.

[–] BluescreenOfDeath 16 points 4 days ago

Plus, there's all the cool stuff Valve has been doing for Linux gaming. All the effort into Proton, the steam deck, etc.

At this point, I'm sticking with Steam to reward them for investing in Linux.

[–] BenLeMan 6 points 4 days ago
  1. They sell games that are unpatched and out of date.
[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

They essentially fragmented the PC market as now I can’t access all of my games in a single location.

Devil's Advocate: That's just called competition. Apple could also claim that Google "fragmented" the smartphone market into two different OS.

[–] marsara9 4 points 4 days ago

Yes, but Google at least innovated and tried to increase customer value with Android. They also make better phones (from some people's perspective) than Apple. I've seen nothing from Epic that tells me that their product is better than Steam. Sure they have free games, but that business model isn't sustainable and for the non free games, why would I buy from them vs Valve? Sure, if I was a developer I might get a better deal with Epic, especially if I can sign an exclusivity agreement), but I'm not a game developer I'm a gamer just looking to play my games on my PC as easily as possible.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Apple could also claim that Google "fragmented" the smartphone market into two different OS.

That's a completely different situation though, because that "fragmentation" hasn't impacted your ability to access anything.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

Just add a non-steam game to your library. I do that with epic, gog, and even my emulated and modded games. All in one place with just a couple clicks

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Epic made headlines when Metro Exodus that was set for a steam launch and even had physical copies with the steam logo, abruptly decided to pull their launch after entering into a deal with Epic.

https://old.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/aqyjac/physical_copy_of_metro_exodus_for_pc_has_a/

Then came the contracts to not release on Steam. And from the DARQ dev turned out that also included GOG too.

I was contacted by the Epic Store, proposing that I enter into an exclusivity agreement with them instead of releasing DARQ on Steam. They made it clear that releasing DARQ non-exclusively is not an option. I rejected their offer before we had a chance to talk about money.

https://medium.com/@unfoldgames/why-i-turned-down-exclusivity-deal-from-the-epic-store-developer-of-darq-7ee834ed0ac7

Free games are nice, but that doesn't guarantee affection when it comes to paying customers. It wasn't like this was some small indie company but another billion dollar company trying to pull a Walmart, so some people just weren't won over by the free games into being happy with the exclusivity deals. Those people weren't happy having choice forced away.

I still haven't spent money on epic but I do claim the free games. Yet I will probably never spend money there even though I've spent money at GOG, uplay, bnet, and origin because the first impression and approach they took rubbed me the wrong way. So even people who don't only buy from steam were turned off with the strategy they took.

Now some people don't care and will buy from there, so this just the point of view of people who dislike Epic.

[–] daggermoon 15 points 4 days ago

I bought Alan Wake 2 because I read it's drm-free which is sort of true. I bought it and I even bought the deluxe upgrade only to realize the game will refuse to recognize the dlc unless it's launched though the EGS launcher which I refuse to use. Conveniently they won't refund game add-ons. Fuck Epic Games, they can suck a fat one.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Fuck Epic.. And while I'm here, screw Valve as well. You own nothing from all these "Leasers". If you truly want to archive, preserve, and hand down your games in your will to future generations, you will need GOG offline installers. I burn these on to M-Disc Media that is supposed to last hundreds of years!

I just can't with Steam anymore.. Social media is cancer, Mmos are just about preening about and showing off your fashion. Essentially all the amazing features and functionality of the Steam Client really isn't needed for the Anti-Capitalist, grumpy old people that generally hate other people, companies, FOMO and silly achievements like I'm a fucking child again.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago

Valve are good in my book for no other reason than their investment in Linux and adjacent open projects like SteamVR, but yes. They made some of my favorites games, and also ruined them so now I can't play them. They arguably kickstarted the concept of lootboxes.

Valve has, for all their flaws, at least done something very valuable for me. Epic has done nil and in some cases worked to make my life worse.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

When Epic first launched, they didn't have payment processors in a number of countries. Want to play that Epic exclusive game? Well too fucking bad because you can't buy it. That one frustrated me as someone who lives outside of some of the major countries. Also, the people behind it are absolute tools in my opinion and I'd rather not support them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

I personally never hated it, I just prefer Steam, because it has stuff like dedicated game workshop, forums, screenshots, achievements, cards, etc. Even when I got something for free in Epic Games Store I would later proceed to buy it in Steam and play there to have all those features.