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[–] [email protected] 44 points 8 hours ago

If you were wondering what you would be doing when Hitler started building concentration camps and loading up the trains...you're doing it right now...

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 hours ago

You don't need an offshore camp with nebulous legality for deporting immigrants. There's already somewhere to send them and you don't care if they go free. Pretty damn useful for domestic opponents though.

[–] disguy_ovahea 42 points 15 hours ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

I cant still understand how americans decided that putting up prisons and managing them should be privatised.

[–] disguy_ovahea 18 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

It began in the 1980s, when Republicans went full-throttle into privatization.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Really, it began it's current form when other slavery was outlawed, so states started capturing free slaves for "crimes" and leasing them out to their former owners. It's only a small evolution from there to today.

[–] disguy_ovahea 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Slavery is independent of prison ownership. You’re referring to involuntary servitude versus the abolished chattel slavery. Privatization is an additional layer of systemic oppression.

Modern private prisons first emerged in 1984 when the Corrections Corporation of America (CCA), now known as CoreCivic, was awarded a contract to take over operation of a jail in Hamilton County, Tennessee.

Private prisons may or may not partake in indentured servitude. In addition to participating in the constitutionally protected slavery, they have far more systemic problems than public prisons. The goal is to spend as little as possible to meet minimum legal requirements in order to maximize profit (it’s a business, after all). Many of these for-profit prisons are infrequently or improperly evaluated, leading to far worse conditions than governmentally run prisons. There have also been countless cases of people being denied parole to maintain minimum headcount.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 hours ago

Americans didn't. A few rich ghouls did.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer 12 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Damon T. Hininger still their CEO? Asking for a friend.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

Send more blue shells 🥰

[–] [email protected] 50 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Who else remembers past Presidents campaigning on closing Gitmo, then dropped the subject after getting elected?

[–] MolecularCactus1324 44 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Obama signed an executive order to close it, but Congress and the legal system slowed it down.

[–] NarrativeBear 12 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

Where is congress and the legal system now?

[–] ZILtoid1991 2 points 3 hours ago

"They go low, we go high"

[–] inclementimmigrant 24 points 14 hours ago

Oh come on you know damn well where it's at.

[–] chase_what_matters 7 points 13 hours ago

in the shitter

[–] [email protected] -3 points 13 hours ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

He did start the process sooner:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13492

This was issued in 2009. It's obstructed (by the same institutions not obstructing Trump right now), and Obama slowly releases inmates over the next couple of years. What you're linking to there is a "final" plan in 2016 to close it after the prison population of Gitmo had been reduced from 800 to 91.

A final plan that never happened because Trump took office.

[–] Dashi 9 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

And what would have happened if he did it sooner? They would have kept stalling out out? I believe no matter when he did it out would have needed approval

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Then make them be the ones to block it from being shut down. Not try to do it right before leaving office.

And maybe not sign the bill to upgrade it...

https://www.courthousenews.com/obama-signs-bill-expanding-guantanamo/

Plus not like he even closed it with his closing EO

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/obama-gitmo-plan-reaction-219696

[–] Dashi 7 points 13 hours ago

That first article quotes Obama trying to close it. From the sounds of it congress attached keeping the base open as a rider to another defense funding bill. That's a common tactic I think

[–] someguy3 9 points 11 hours ago

Belle of the ranch pointed out it costs more at gitmo because you have to ship everyone and everything there.