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I will come back to this post in September to see if I was right lol

Biggest concerning signs:

  1. 30 FPS lock on xbox, there's no way to spin that positively, absolute fail

  2. Predatory pre-order bonus skins to get people to buy before they know what they're actually going to experience (buggy shitshow)

  3. Countless attempts to hype up the game and huge random assurances from the devs

  4. Preemptively admitting the game has jank and trying to make it seem okay lol

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/starfield-has-that-bethesda-rpg-jank-and-i-couldnt-be-happier/ar-AA1cGkxv

At least the bugs will be absolutely hilarious I think.

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[–] FantasticFox 34 points 1 year ago (7 children)

It's probably going to be the game of the year, maybe beaten by TOTK. Certainly it'll be one of the best selling games of all time.

This is such a neckbeard take.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Maybe somewhere in the middle, honestly. Highly publicized bugs at launch, people complaining they're under-delivering on what we all knew was marketing bullshit, then bugs get fixed under the radar and the game turns out to be amazing by the time they release their first DLC.

People always harp on about not pre-ordering, but you know what's even better? Ignoring launch hype. I mean, look at Cyberpunk.

[–] 666dollarfootlong 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yea, single player games, on consoles, can be 100% enjoyable even at 30fps. BotW and TotK are perfect examples of it. I haven't seen any trailers or reviews or content of Starfield, btw, so don't anyone date call me a coper.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Nah, I think you're way overblowing this. Starfield is going to be a success, it'll be the least buggy release they've ever had and people will love it. Monetization? Sure. 30fps? Yeah that's standard for consoles. It's not going to be a perfect game, it's just going to be a damn good one. Enjoy it in the sea of mediocrity we have right now

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Yup. It's easy to be cynical about the current state of video games, but Bethesda seems to still be made up of people who are genuinely excited about what they are building, all the way up to management.

It's not a perfect indicator for success, but I think it's a pretty damned good one.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

it's an rpg not forza. 30fosnisnt that important in the context.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's also the first game they're making with Microsoft resources, and by what they're showing, they really seem to be learning with their mistakes and improving.

I agree with OP that Starfield is going to make a lot of people unhappy, mostly because of their own unreal expectations, but it is not going to be a blunder, let alone a massive one. However, it could be the most perfect game ever made and yet gamers/redditors that won't even bother playing the game will find something to complain about and hop on the hatewagon because they're just that miserable

[–] oryx 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This post reads as if you're a PlayStation player that still obsessed over the cOnSoLe WaRs and is just salty.

  1. Countless attempts to hype up the game and huge random assurances from the devs

You mean... marketing?

Pretty much everything you said is dumb or just not true, but that one was especially hilarious.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Bethesda jank is what brought us the Giant Space Program in Skyrim so I'm definitely fine with some jank. They've also said it's the least buggy Bethesda game they've made. It feels like you're just picking bad points to shit on the game.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Do not pre-order games.

Do not buy AAA games at launch, especially Bethesda games.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Preordering is dumb for digital releases.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's dumb for physical too.

[–] Ech 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Used to be that you might not get the game for quite a while if you didn't pre-order. Not sure if that's still the case with physical.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

No need to preorder/buy it, since the game will be on gamepass on release.

What point is there to not try the game for 10€ for a month? You can cancel it anytime.

If it's shit, you still have a huge library of big name games you can play. You can also get gamepass keys for much cheaper on ebay or key resellers but there you might get scammed. Also if you have friends with gamepass ultimate, they can give you free 14 day trial keys.

If the game turns out great, you can still just buy it later on sale

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

It's on Gamepass, I literally lose nothing from trying it day one whether it's pants or brilliant.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not sure what people are actually expecting from starfield. It'll be TES/Fallout in space. The story will be mediocre but who plays Bethesda games for the main quest anyway? The graphics won't be top-notch, but who plays Bethesda games for the graphics? It won't be completely bug-free, but who... You get it. It will be a game that we will play for decades to come, especially with mods. But I don't expect it to be a revolution of the genre.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

I think it'll be just like every other release. If it's not absolutely perfect people are gonna shit all over it, but the reality will be that it's fine. There's no such thing as a perfect game. Either play and enjoy it or don't. It'll be on GamePass day one, so your monetary investment in trying it doesn't have to be $70. Hell, you can probably find a free trial somewhere to try it with. So who cares if it's not perfect or not. I bet just like all of their other games it'll be a load of fun.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Honestly I could not care less about console FPS locks. If you don't play Bethesda RPGs on a PC then I don't even know what you're doing with your life.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I don't understand why anyone is naïve enough to still preorder from companies like Bethesda.

Mostly I don't understand pre-ordering games at all (patient gamers represent) but from Bethesda? You're basically paying to get kicked in the shins. Surely we all know this by now.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Predatory pre-order bonus skins to get people to buy before they know what they’re actually going to experience (buggy shitshow)

Countless attempts to hype up the game and huge random assurances from the devs

Preemptively admitting the game has jank and trying to make it seem okay lol

none of this is particularly different from their other releases, and 2 & 3 arent even out of the ordinary for AAA gaming in general, regardless of quality or reception

[–] BrokenToshy 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Plus number 4. It's a Bethesda game, if you don't expect jank/bugs then I have a bridge to sell you..

Ofc it will be broken at launch but the amazing modding community that comes with Bethesda games will have that shit sorted in no time

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

With the abysmal state of most AAA releases, I just hope they manage to give the game some soul to it. I'm tired of clones and Elden Ring has been the only recent AAA title that feel like creativity was still put into it.

[–] Guy_Fieris_Hair 13 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Point 5) No games are released finished anymore an no gamer is ever happy.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (11 children)
  1. 30 fps lock is not a bad thing for a not action heavy rpg, many games already did and prove that if you do it properly it's not that bad.
  2. you don't have to do the pre-order no one is forcing you to pre-order. They set a FOMO flag on the pitfall if you go ahead and fall then it's your issue.
  3. every big budget game hypes their game, they have to cause marketing money sometimes exceeds the development cost.(depending on the audience reach results, they usually don't spend marketing money like idiots.)
  4. if it doesn't pull a cyberpunk then I think it would be fine.

my predictions:

  1. at best it would be a space new vegas, At worst a space warp simulator cause loading or procedurally generate stuff for the system you are in takes time. And then it's full of copy paste settlements where 95% of the planet is not even worth visiting, you just scan locate settlement, land near by do your space fetching and then move on.
  2. it would be some interesting landscapes probably from AI generated ideas so main location won't feel too repetitive.(so do a planet with just one biome, except story relevant planets.)
  3. space combat is probably gonna suck or forced cinematic thing(force you to land somewhere, get ship taken away, etc. )
  4. many startrek/starwars "inspirations" for factions.
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

No need to preorder since you can just pay 10€ and play the game day 1 on gamepass. If it sucks, you still have a huge choice of games to play

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Is it going to be horrible ? No. Just from the gameplay I've seen I can tell you I'm going to have a good time. Will it live up to my personal expectations? Absolutely not. But neither did cyberpunk and anytime someone asks me for a good cyberpunk game I don't hesitate to tell the cp2077 is in a league of it's own, despite all the shortcomings.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There is likely going to be loading screens when entering buildings like in past games built on basically the same engine.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

most engines used by AAA studios are just upgraded versions of engines that games were running on 20 years ago

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

https://sh.itjust.works/c/patientgamers

For the win. It's helped me avoid wasting money on most game purchases I've done.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

We actually got a decent Cyberpunk 2077 experience. I think. I still haven't gotten around to playing it, plus I'm more hyped to play Slime Rancher 2... after I finally beat Slime Rancher 1.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I finally bought Cyberpunk recently, as it reached a pricepoint I liked. Now with the news of the overhaul, I'll just wait until after that to play it.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I don't think its going to be a massive blunder, I do think that its being hyped up a little too much right now.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I never expect a stable game from Bethesda, I only hope when I play it (months/years later) there are community patches to fix most of it, and most importantly mods to make it more fun

As for the 30fps thing, it makes no sense to me why there can't be a performance mode, that being said I play on PC and if it's locked to 30 there then there are some major problems

The pre order bonus I just see as a common market tactics today, and am just glad it doesn't unlock abilities early like the preorders for spider-man on PC

And yeah I don't buy the "least buggy Bethesda game ever on release" thing, becouse well, that doesn't say much

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

As for the 30fps thing, it makes no sense to me why there can't be a performance mode

Graphics aren't the only thing that are heavy on resources. The thing with Bethesda games is that you have a lot of clutter items scattered around (like tin cans, forks and cheese wheels) that you can pickup, drag around, and because of this interactive nature, there's physics calculations for all these items, and this hogs resources. You can't just lower texture resolution or turn off anti aliasing and be done with it, you'd have to fundamentally change how the game works to make a performance for a Bethesda game

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

it's a Bethesda game, it'll be jank but in ways where the game is still enjoyable imo. there's like a certain charm to the way Bethesda games are bugged to hell for me. yeah I like when a character suddenly becomes an eldritch ragdoll in dialogue.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I don't know if any of these things are going to doom the game outright, per se, but there's been a lot of hype building around the game for a long time and I think that's... potentially ominous. It's being positioned as the Next Big Thing(tm), and it's rare that any game can live up to that. Even if it's not a complete Cyberpunk-esque disaster, failing to live up to the frankly impossible expectations that are being foisted upon it are very likely to result in backlash.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Their game engine is shit, always has been shit.

30FPS cap is a function of their old engine being shit and attempting to keep up with modern engines.

I wish they would just abandon the engine already and move forward with a modern engine.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m 100% expecting this game to crash and burn in the most outrageous manner possible. I’ll be surprised if it turns out to be a good game.

It’s possible that they’ll get around to making it good eventually but I’m betting it’ll be total garbage at launch

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it's probably going to be fine, even if it does have some bugs.

But I'm not buying it on release week or probably even month anyway so it won't burn me if it isn't.

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