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Fediverse vs Disinformation

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Pointing out, debunking, and spreading awareness about state- and company-sponsored astroturfing on Lemmy and elsewhere. This includes social media manipulation, propaganda, and disinformation campaigns, among others.

Propaganda and disinformation are a big problem on the internet, and the Fediverse is no exception.

What's the difference between misinformation and disinformation? The inadvertent spread of false information is misinformation. Disinformation is the intentional spread of falsehoods.

By equipping yourself with knowledge of current disinformation campaigns by state actors, corporations and their cheerleaders, you will be better able to identify, report and (hopefully) remove content matching known disinformation campaigns.


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Same as instance rules, plus:

  1. No disinformation
  2. Posts must be relevant to the topic of astroturfing, propaganda and/or disinformation

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@[email protected] is spreading a disinfo campaign trying to rebrand horrible ideas as "not nazi." I don't know where else to warn people about this. We are pushing for an instance ban, but the admin at SDF tends to be slow to reach.

Edit: Look at the modlog. I beg of any instance admin that sees the ban and removal reasons alone, including a ban reason of "tranny" , I hope to hell they break your instance rules. You should instance ban this moron to keep the spread down.

Edit 2: It has been more than a day now with not even a "We will look into it." kind of reply from the admin. It may be time to look into defederation. We are effectively abandoned.

Edit for an update:

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

Nazis GTFO.

[–] nifty -5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Okay, so I feel partly guilty because my pov has been that I want to poke at what I think is hivemind behavior and take on devils advocate perspectives. I don’t think it’s worth it if literal nazis feel like they have a place to comment here. I hate it when there are posts that go unchallenged while advocating for clearly disingenuous and misstated opinions. But yeah, I think I’ll just block out the Marxist political content instead.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Okay, so I feel partly guilty because my pov has been that I want to poke at what I think is hivemind behavior and take on devils advocate perspectives.

Bro... Take a look at yourself.

When you're on the same side of Nazis and and they feel like they have a welcoming place with you and your ideas, doesn't that tell you maybe what you're doing is not ideal?

You're not simply playing "devil's advocate". You're enabling fascist, Nazis and other bigots because in your efforts to "fight Marxism" (whatever that means), you're growing more and more extreme towards the right.

And is that really the road you want to take?

I don’t think it’s worth it if literal nazis feel like they have a place to comment here.

It seems like your answer to that question is "no". So why don't you take a moment to step back and ask yourself if to you it's worth being on the same side of Nazis.

I hate it when there are posts that go unchallenged while advocating for clearly disingenuous and misstated opinions.

But they don't go unchallenged. You are being disingenuous here.

I saw your profile, and all your rebuttals at anything remotely Marxist has very often been commented on by fellow Marxists. You either stopped replying when you didn't know what to say. Or their answers were just dismissed by you, without providing any legitimate counter arguments.

But yeah, I think I’ll just block out the Marxist political content instead.

Do that then. I'd rather you just blocked various accounts and communities rather than continuing down the road you're in.

I've seen plenty of people get sucked into the far right pipeline because a Marxist was too mean once or because they didn't agree with the left mentality.

You can of course be another of those people. And additionally, you can of course disagree with left ideas/opinions as well.

But if you're feeling any remorse about being on the same side of Nazi users, I would invite you to ask yourself why are you truly being so passionately against the left that you're willing to align your ideas and worldviews with those of Nazis.

Best of luck to you!

Edit: You don't have to answer my comment either if you don't want to. I just wanted to share my own opinion and an invitation to stop and truly reflect on what's important to you.

[–] nifty -3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You’re right, it’s not worth it

I stopped responding because I got banned 🤷‍♀️

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

I stopped responding because I got banned 🤷‍♀️

You got banned 12 hours ago from comics.ml for exactly 6 days. And you were temporarily banned because you kept being troll-y and not engaging in good fate. You were laughing at the people downvoting you, telling everyone that they didn't understand anything they were saying and that only you were the one who truly knew what they were talking about. That is troll behavior. Period.

While 8 days ago you were banned from blahaj.zone because your views got you labeled as bigot. You might say you are not, but what is the difference if at the end of the day you just happen to keep saying the same things that other bigots say? In the eyes of any outsider, you're just another bigot.

Finally, let's get something straight: I am not here to convince you of what you did. Nor I wish to debate about whether or not what you did was correct, the mods actions justified or anything else like that.

I am simply telling you, as an outsider, that your actions are mirroring the same actions of those that eventually started hanging out with fascists and Nazis because they alienated everyone else in their blind reactions and hate.

What you do with this information is entirely up to you, my friend.

There will be no amount of words that I can say that could convince you of that unless you think that yourself.

[–] nifty -2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I think you folks are biased, and that’s why I don’t care about the bans.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I think you folks are biased

And? You're acting again as if you were the only neutral person in the world. Everyone has bias. You have (far) right wing bias. It's about being aware of the bias and knowing not to be as biased when making decisions that matters.

Decisions like whether or not you want to be on the side of Nazis, for example.

and that’s why I don’t care about the bans.

And that's what I meant with "you're debating in bad faith".

I'm writing long paragraphs with specific points to address. You are only writing 2 shitty lines that don't even address my points.

2 lines that openly contradict each other too. You cannot say at first "but they banned me 🤷‍♀️" and then immediately "but I actually don't care about the ban".

Talk to me about having biases again?

This is the last thing I'll write to you by the way. I value my time too much to waste it writing comments to rightwing trolls who are unwilling to have an actual conversation and be critical of themselves.

I will block you as well if necessary because I don't to have people in my feed who repeat Nazi and transphobic talking points, or who are against DEI and CRT.

[–] nifty -1 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Happily!

And thank you for proving that all your arguments were just absolute bullshit and you are, in fact, just another rightwing troll

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

Don't worry. The troll is competent and the org doesn't have the bandwidth to deal with this. To all that may see this: defederation should be on the table

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lot of trolls floating in lately. Got that stupid catfishing message a couple days ago in my DMs.

Seems that the current president cosplaying as king has emboldened the most toxic conservatives to crawl out of the woodwork.

I remember that happened in 2017 too, so we can probably expect them to get bored and fuck off somewhere else sooner or later

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Wait, the catfish happened to a bunch of people? Thought it was just a few, I ignored it when I got it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Weird right?

I think the catfish was targeting active commenters based on the post a bit ago about it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Huh, that's strange. Why active users specifically? Telling me to touch grass?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Probably easy to find usernames by just opening a post I’d guess

Touching grass is never a bad idea though

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Yea lol, was a joke more than anything.

[–] jordanlund 35 points 1 week ago

Lemmy probably needs a "Report Community" feature that goes to the Admins of the instance.

But I can say, the Admins are aware.

[–] j4k3 31 points 1 week ago (2 children)

sdf.org needs a backup admin that is reachable badly.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I've emailed, tooted, and tagged the admin on Lemmy. I am fumbling through a BBS post in my phone. I can do no more except let people know to block this Nazi and please don't think the SDF instance appreciates or tolerates this Nazi BS.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Quick correction: Domain is lemmy.sdf.org (fix missing period)

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

Thanks. I hate typing on my phone.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Yeah, I saw that guy recently and blocked the communities that he seemed to be running.

I then tagged him as "Conservative Dickhead" in Voyager, though I'll be updating that to be simply "Nazi".

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Yeah, at first I want to give the benefit of the doubt, but after reading here I decided to just spell it out for myself

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (8 children)
[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

We banned him a few hours ago. In the future, please at least navigate to the major servers and check their modlogs before pinging the admins.

Admins usually notify other admins fairly quickly about stuff like this. But in this case the other admins (myself) aren't going to know if the user had already banned by one of our colleagues, so we end up having to check multiple times.

It's all good though, I appreciate your urgency.

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[–] Thekingoflorda 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thank you for bringing it to our attention, already banned from Lemmy.world, will communicate with the other admins to see if more action is warranted.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't mean to backseat moderate but is a 7 day ban really the best option in this situation as opposed to a permanent one with content removal? I mean this isn't an average scenario, this is an extremist user spreading hate and disinformation, and for that they get only a 7 day ban?

[–] Thekingoflorda 18 points 1 week ago (5 children)

This is a temporary measure until I can discuss it futher with the other admins. I think they'll agree a perma-ban is warranted.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Hijacking this useful ping to say that I absolutely would not hold a grudge over defederation due to this. We can't get in touch with the admin. They are likely asleep. Please remember, though, that aside from this BS, it is just a quiet nerdy instance full of Unix lovers.

Edit: autocorrect typos

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I just had a look at his profile again, and he keep posting shit, but so far seems to be mostly only posting new actual posts on his own communities on lemmy.sdf.org

Those communities are:

conservative

saynotogroomers

libsoftiktok

saynotonazis

I can't be arsed to link properly, and don't want to drive traffic to them, but these are the current communities on lemmy.sdf.org, where he is most active.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

Seems like it might be the same asshole who spammed Rammy.site in the past and flooded it with hateful garbage.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

A quick look at their comment and post history shows that they hate:

Trans people

Anime

Star Trek

Star Wars

...do they know they're on Lemmy...?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Well since they seem at least ambivilant on linux, perhaps not?

(Kidding, kidding.)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Liking Linux but hating trans people is diabolical work. At least 25% of the userbase wear pink, blue and white thigh highs.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

Startrek.website has banned the user and blocked/purged the communities.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's a troll, and one of several I have seen over the last couple of days. There isn't much to go on now, but they could just be lost tankies or a single troll with multiple accounts that is just trying to get a rise out of people.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

I'm disappointed that such a user is on the same instance as I. Thanks for raising the alarm. I'm hopeful the folks in charge take action.

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