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New poll warns of Colorado Democrats' slipping popularity with voters (www.denverpost.com)

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

shifts that could help the GOP or moderate Democrats

So are there people who sincerely believe this bullshit spin? Is it an unrealistically widespread conspiracy of misinformation? Is it indoctrination and confirmation bias?

To anyone with a working brain and a speck of integrity, it's blatantly obvious that the domination of the party (and most notably the DNC) by "moderates" (which is to say, neoliberal hacks) is the exact problem with the Democrats, and the exact reason that so many people hate both parties. That's the whole basis for the durability of the claim that both parties are the same - the Democrats are so "moderate" that there isn't enough difference to overcome that claim.

Trump's ascension and the collapse of the already toxically moderate Democrats sure as fuck isn't an opportunity for moderate Democrats - that's just more of what's already failed. It's an opportunity for progressives. It's an opportunity for the Democrats to reclaim the left, and much more to the point, their role as the party of the people - the party that stands for the people against the depradations of the ruling class.

I understand that the party hierarchy don't want that - that they're perfectly content to just gorge themselves at the soft money trough and let the people suffer - but honestly, fuck them. It's long past time to get them out of the way.

So again, do people sincerely believe this "opportunity for moderates" bullshit? Is it some unrealistically widespread conspiracy? Is it just indoctrination and confirmation bias?

And more importantly, how do we overcome it, and not just sometime, but in time to save the American people from plutocratic autocracy?

[–] CharlesDarwin 3 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Yeah, in the face of what the qons are doing to America, the Democrats popularity is slipping.

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[–] stoly 2 points 2 days ago

That's what indoctrination does to you, I guess.

[–] lemmy_user_838586 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Not speaking about the democrat party specifically, but about society in general: people are pissed because no one seems to be stepping up and becoming a leader to guide us through what's obviously a fascist and authoritian take over of our country. We'll all just kinda sitting at home reading news and getting mad, but no one seems to be leading country wide protests (that I've heard about at least) or taking a legal, and physical stand against the forceful government takeovers. And we need to be doing it now before our ability to communicate and self organize is taken away (x, Facebook, etc) there's no central place to get a message out country wide anymore because our communication is getting fractured.

Who knows, maybe no on is stepping up because the country seems to have actually voted for this so its what 'the people' want. Who knows. All I know is I'm fucking terrified because my social circle has been in denial about how bad this is going to get, I still hear things like 'he can't do that, its illegal' or 'he can't do that, he doesn't have the power to, that's such-and-such's job'. Not admitting that to a fascist, laws don't matter. He can do whatever he wants now.

[–] deadtom -2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Probably because people are tired of supporting the controlled opposition?

From an economic perspective the Democratic party has abandoned working class Americans in favor of the ultra wealthy. Two hands supporting those who least deserve it, at the expense of us all. Harris did dick all to even conceptualize how she was going to help, and instead said "the economy is doing great!" which was the exact opposite of what regular Americans wanted to hear. Donald lied to them, but Harris didn't even bother to come to the table so they took the gamble.

Ultimately the controlled opposition wants you to be okay with a status quo piece of shit as their only choice for you. Why do you think we got milquetoast Biden after Trumps first term? We can sit here and be pissed off his DoJ did not hold trump accountable, but ultimately its what the wealthy donors wanted. Can't have wealthy people in America being treated the same under the law as the rest of us. Meanwhile back in reality if any American did 1/10th of the shit he has done we'd be locked up for the rest of our days.

Until Democrats purge the influence of money in their politics, those with the most money have the most control in deciding how our country runs. Guess who has the most money? Guess who is just fine taking that money while putting up a token resistance?

How much money did the Democrat political apparatus make off of the American people in '24? Being the controlled opposition is pretty lucrative especially when you're pushing messaging that "THIS IS THE END OF DEMOCRACY" while simultaneously showing you dont take it seriously because you refuse to piss off your wealthy donors by even questioning their power.

The husk of the Democrat party needs to hurry up and die so we can see actual progress in this country instead of having two right wing parties, right-light and right-death-cult.

[–] stoly 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

From an economic perspective the Democratic party has abandoned working class Americans in favor of the ultra wealthy.

The Republican party did that back in the 1960s after the passage of the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts. You're doing a both sides thing and it doesn't work well.

[–] deadtom 0 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Sure champ. Show me where Harris advocated against the power of the wealthy to the benefit of the working class at all in her campaign. The silence there was deafening.

There are legitimate instances where "both sides" is blatant hypocrisy, but this isn't one of them. Democrats lost because they refused to address the inequalities and power the rich have. Just the other day the new head of the DNC was talking about how they will only take money from "good billionaires" showing they haven't learned a thing. When the wealthy can buy your party and control the direction it goes, seemingly always to the right, that's a fucking problem.

When it comes to the wealthy the right and left hands of this nation are more than happy jerking each other off for their personal gain at the cost to the rest of us. Corporate Democrats are Republicans for all intents and purposes in this case.

[–] stoly 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Sure champ

I stopped reading at this point. You made it personal for no reason and don't deserve a response.

[–] deadtom 0 points 18 hours ago

This might be the funniest thing I've read all day. Thanks for that.