I don't know a single person who isn't for a harsh retaliation. I haven't felt this united with my fellow Canadians ever.
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Smith isn't, and, as an Albertan, it's goddamn embarassing. Nothing authoritarians like more than a bigger authoritarian.
And Scott Moe in Saskatchewan.
Honestly, all of this "51st state" bullshit has been a gift to Canada. For far too long the leaders on the right have been appealing to Canadian MAGA by emulating and praising everything Trump and his ilk do, and now they're being forced to either turn on Trump or turn on Canada. In something like a week he's shattered the alliance between the American right and the Canadian right, and left them absolutely spinning in the wind, searching for some sense of identity.
A smarter version of Trump would have kept his mouth shut until Pollievre was in, and then started to lean on him through back channels for consessions, just like Bush did with Harper. That filthy traitor would gladly give Trump everything he wants without a fight. But for Trump it's about the fight; slapping tariffs on other countries makes his tiny dick feel a little less tiny.
When your main identity is nationalism it just doesn’t make sense to work together with any foreign leader.
All of these guys are stupid really. It would've made sense for Pollievre to not push for no confidence and just wait until October where he'd be up against Trudeau and probably win. But he got his way and Trudeau resigned. Now is he going to force an election in the winter where he's running against a stronger candidate? Last election the Liberals took a big hit in the polls from calling an unscheduled election. How many points will Pollievre lose if he makes a winter election happen?
Pollievre went all-in on US style politics and it's wearing thin. Running endless ads outside of a campaign has made people sick and tired of him. When his US brethren tank the economy people might question whether being "anti-woke" is sound economic policy.
It's still his election to lose, but it seems he's doing everything possible to make that happen.
His other big problem is that he's just not very likeable. People hate Trudeau, so they were willing to side with anyone who would get him out. But with Trudeau gone voters are now faced with the fact that they really don't much like Pollievre either.
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Probably has more to do with her being in the pocket of the oil industry.
Heard an old bitch (Alberta) complaining yesterday in my store about something Joe Biden did.
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There are plenty of people in the US cheering for harsh retaliation, too. Despite being directly harmed by it.
This man is going out of his way to hurt everyone he can regardless, and everyone who can do anything here is just sitting down, shutting up, and obeying in advance.
I am glad that other countries are ready and willing to to hit this bully back. Seems like the best hope we have is from people on the outside.
I'm cheering for harsh retaliation because it's the only language the orange man will understand. If the economy has to collapse for us to have any chance of getting Americans to ditch their support of fascism, well we've already fucked up a million times to get this far so we'll have to struggle through it.
economy has to collapse
This may have unexpected consequences.
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I'm an expat who has been a permanent resident of Canada since 2017, and it's a horror show watching Trump receive a second term and then turn on Canada. I know his threat of invasion/buying Canada or whatever is all peacocking, but if in ten years I've been thrust back into the American healthcare system, I'll throw myself off of a bridge.
Canada won't willingly be part of the US. If the US invades Canada, it would be the end of the US.
The US gets boners over their military tech, but they weren't able to successfully occupy Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. Canada is bigger than those countries, and this would not be an overseas war where they can just go home when they fail. Americans don't have the willpower to succeed with a long drawn out occupation. They freak the fuck out over a few drones in New Jersey, they obviously wouldn't be able to handle a war on the North American continent involving drones flying over them carrying explosives and searching for targets. And that's just the tip of the iceberg of what a US war with Canada would be like.
Imagine fighting a resistance that can just cross over the border and perfectly blend in with your population. It's madness to even suggest it even if they weren't important allies.
The whole idea is ludicrous. There are so many things that would make it utterly impossible.
- The border. Ignore everything else, just think about the border. The US/Canada border is the longest land border on the planet. It's utterly impossible to defend that border.
- Utter lack of support for the war. Even the Vietnam War enjoyed a decent amount of popular support for the first few years. Imagine starting a war that more than 50% of the population opposed right off the bat.
- Conflict on US soil for the first time since the Civil War. Sure, the US participated in WWI and WWII, and they were the main military force in the Korean, Vietnam, and Gulf wars. Those were all wars that happened overseas somewhere. A few thousand people died on Sept. 11th and the whole country freaked out for decades. The US psyche isn't ready for a war on US soil.
Militarily, Canada couldn't stand up to the US at all. But, the "Troubles" in Northern Ireland show what guerilla tactics can achieve, especially when it's almost impossible to distinguish the "bad guys" from the "good guys". And, that's without even talking about all the Americans who would take the opportunity to turn against their own fascist government.
Troop morale would be incredibly low, too. I would be pissed if I somehow got drafted to invade Canada. It’d be like something out of a cartoon.
It would literally be asked to potentially die for the cause of betraying an ally for money. And not money for you, money for already extremely wealthy oligarchs.
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Plus, it’d suck for at least four months a year
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If y'all want to burn the white house down again, I'll bring marshmallows for us to roast on the flames.
I'd rather they burn down Mar-a-lago. The White House is a nice historic building.
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"Why don't you want to join the land of the free and home of the brave?"
Because if we gave in to the pressure and joined, we would be neither.
Canadian oil would be hit with lower tariffs of 10%, which would take effect later, on 18 February.
Cool we could put 15% on oil going to US and help trump keep his 25% on everything promises.
Screw 15%. Put it to 25% right now, and on 18 February Trump will have to choose between a 25% increase in oil prices or a 35% increase if he goes through with adding the 10% tariff.
Canada should join the EU.
The EU as a structure is such that some piss drops like Orban can stall its reaction to events long enough to make it useless.
But! A new no-bullshit world confederation would be nice. With a combined military, of course.
Make US thirteen colonies again?
This is a workable method to deal with these four years, a clever leader deciding strategy suggested by very clever advisors can beat a strategy suggested by very clever advisors decided upon by an unclever leader.