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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

The "1 trillion" never existed in the first place. It was all hype by a bunch of Tech-Bros, huffing each other's farts.

[–] [email protected] 79 points 2 days ago

Almost like yet again the tech industry is run by lemming CEOs chasing the latest moss to eat.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 2 days ago (5 children)

The best part is that it's open source and available for download

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago (11 children)

So can I have a private version of it that doesn't tell everyone about me and my questions?

[–] SpaceRanger 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Thank you very much. I did ask chatGPT was technical questions about some... subjects... but having something that is private AND can give me all the information I want/need is a godsend.

Goodbye, chatGPT! I barely used you, but that is a good thing.

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[–] CeeBee_Eh 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I asked it about Tiananmen Square, it told me it can't answer that because it can only respond with "harmless" responses.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yes the online model has those filters. Some one tried it with one of the downloaded models and it answers just fine

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago

You misspelled "lies". Or were you trying to type "psyops tool"??

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When running locally, it works just fine without filters

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago

I tried the smaller models and it's not fine. It's hard coded.

[–] CeeBee_Eh 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This was a local instance.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Does the same thing on my local instance.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Yes but your server can't handle the biggest LLM.

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 2 days ago (6 children)

The economy rests on a fucking chatbot. This future sucks.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago (2 children)

On the brightside, the clear fragility and lack of direct connection to real productive forces shows the instability of the present system.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 days ago (10 children)

This just shows how speculative the whole AI obsession has been. Wildly unstable and subject to huge shifts since its value isn't based on anything solid.

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[–] Doomsider 79 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Wow, China just fucked up the Techbros more than the Democratic or Republican party ever has or ever will. Well played.

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[–] PlutoniumAcid 20 points 2 days ago (7 children)

So if the Chinese version is so efficient, and is open source, then couldn't openAI and anthropic run the same on their huge hardware and get enormous capacity out of it?

[–] AdrianTheFrog 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

OpenAI could use less hardware to get similar performance if they used the Chinese version, but they already have enough hardware to run their model.

Theoretically the best move for them would be to train their own, larger model using the same technique (as to still fully utilize their hardware) but this is easier said than done.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 days ago (8 children)
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[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Nvidia’s most advanced chips, H100s, have been banned from export to China since September 2022 by US sanctions. Nvidia then developed the less powerful H800 chips for the Chinese market, although they were also banned from export to China last October.

I love how in the US they talk about meritocracy, competition being good, blablabla... but they rig the game from the beginning. And even so, people find a way to be better. Fascinating.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago

You're watching an empire in decline. It's words stopped matching its actions decades ago.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No surprise. American companies are chasing fantasies of general intelligence rather than optimizing for today's reality.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That, and they are just brute forcing the problem. Neural nets have been around for ever but it's only been the last 5 or so years they could do anything. There's been little to no real breakthrough innovation as they just keep throwing more processing power at it with more inputs, more layers, more nodes, more links, more CUDA.

And their chasing a general AI is just the short sighted nature of them wanting to replace workers with something they don't have to pay and won't argue about it's rights.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Hello darkness my old friend

[–] Pieisawesome 19 points 2 days ago (4 children)

It’s knowledge isn’t updated.

It doesn’t know current events, so this isn’t a big gotcha moment

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[–] [email protected] 123 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

One of those rare lucid moments by the stock market? Is this the market correction that everyone knew was coming, or is some famous techbro going to technobabble some more about AI overlords and they return to their fantasy values?

[–] [email protected] 100 points 3 days ago (12 children)

It's quite lucid. The new thing uses a fraction of compute compared to the old thing for the same results, so Nvidia cards for example are going to be in way less demand. That being said Nvidia stock was way too high surfing on the AI hype for the last like 2 years, and despite it plunging it's not even back to normal.

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[–] [email protected] 104 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Emergence of DeepSeek raises doubts about sustainability of western artificial intelligence boom

Is the "emergence of DeepSeek" really what raised doubts? Are we really sure there haven't been lots of doubts raised previous to this? Doubts raised by intelligent people who know what they're talking about?

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Remember to cancel your Microsoft 365 subscription to kick them while they're down

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[–] MooseTheDog 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Good. LLM AIs are overhyped, overused garbage. If China putting one out is what it takes to hack the legs out from under its proliferation, then I'll take it.

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