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[–] RegalPotoo 74 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It makes more sense if you understand that the "thorn" (Þ) is pronounced "th".

Interestingly, the thorn was in pretty common use until the printing press took off because most of the presses in England were imported from France and Germany, neither of which used the thorn so their typefaces didn't include one. For a while people used 'y' in place of the thorn (hence "ye olde"), but eventually it fell out of use all together

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Printing press is one factor, another is French influence. Greek terms with that sound were written with like in French and so already competed with <þ> independent of the printing press.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I heard that y and th competed and th won in the end.

[–] JustAnotherKay 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

@RegalPotoo

(My understanding)

The thorn evolved as a pseudo glyph first, have you ever written a "th" really fast? Once the printing press was invented and widespread, it became less common for "th" to look like a thorn and it slowly fell out of use altogether

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's wrong. Thorn was a runic letter before the Latin alphabet arrived in great Britain. Since the latter didn't have a letter for this sound, they used it from the older script. "þ" writing fast looks like "y" which is why that letter was used in print. Words For Granted as a podcast episode about lost letters of the English alphabet, including þorn.

[–] JustAnotherKay 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Interesting! I wonder what other linguistic history I have slightly wrong lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

ᚦ is Thurisaz rune.

[–] EvacuateSoul 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

A frog is a wee beast with four legs which lives both in water and on land. He is brown, green, or yellow, or if he is tropical, he may be diverse colors. He has lungs and gills both. He haches from an egg and he then is a tadpole. He grows to be a frog if he is not eaten.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

arguably if you're translating then "wee beast" should be "small animal."

[–] EvacuateSoul 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

That is arguable. I wouldn't want to rob it of its flavor. 'Wee beast' is unusual, but it's fine English already.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

The argument - that I don't particularly care about, just idling commenting - is would that be translation or transliteration.

[–] JustAnotherKay 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Hatches from an egg" caught me up a bit but I could read this otherwise

You don't care but I was excited

[–] EvacuateSoul 4 points 1 week ago

I just know it from Schnappy das kleine Krokodil we learned in German class haha

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago

May we all be nat eton.

[–] fox2263 23 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Thought I was reading Dutch there at first. But it was just idiot

[–] EnIdiot 7 points 1 week ago

No, can confirm.

Actually early Middle English and Dutch were not that far apart. More French, of course, but a lot of Germanic verbs and vocabulary that matched up with Dutch.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

They're the same picture

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

You were not alone…

[–] SkunkWorkz 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is like Frisian and English mixed together. As a Dutch man I could stil read this. Except had to figure out that ſ is an s

[–] TempermentalAnomaly 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fun Fact: Old English and Old Frisian are closely related.

[–] SkunkWorkz 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is probably Middle English. Old English is harder to read https://ang.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frogga

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

it really just looks like someone who speaks english, german, and swedish got a severe head injury

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lots of head injuries going around back then

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

as evidenced by the existence of france

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I thought this was a really secluded and niche Scots dialect before realising it was just old english.

[–] Taalnazi 3 points 1 week ago

ġīese, is eald Englisc; ac nis Eald Englisċ; hwæt ic cweþe hát Eald Englisċ.

Sé mema is on Middelenglisċ.

[–] davidagain 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I read this all in a broad Scots accent. Which is possibly a pretty accurate choice. ~~Old English~~ Early middle English and lowland Scots are very, very similar as languages.

[–] EnIdiot 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It is early Middle English not Old English.

[–] davidagain 2 points 1 week ago

Ah, how right you are! Sorry, I'll edit.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

I can hear the YouTube video done about this.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

you NEED to hear the voice actor reading this
https://youtu.be/HguKPVgIZL8

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Little bit of a shame that he reads the thorn as b :-(

Otherwise pretty funny

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Late middle English?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Who makes up such funny words?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

This is just how English used to be.

[–] M137 1 points 1 week ago

All your ancestors.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Surely, i'm having a stroke

[–] RebekahWSD 2 points 1 week ago

I thought this was Froggy Went A Courtin for a moment before reading more.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Read this in Swedish Chef's voice.

[–] homesweethomeMrL -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ghhp - h'just . . . hang on . . .

*fwhoooooooh* . . . . snif . . . ooohhh . . . . ahh. dang. oh man. whew!

Okay. Next one.

[–] benbrain 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] homesweethomeMrL -1 points 1 week ago

It was a little bit of a lift, y’know. I kinda overclocked a little bit reading that.