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Unnecessary and deeply concerning bow to the new "king"

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[–] DarkFuture 30 points 4 hours ago (6 children)

Another tech dipshit, whose wealth allows him to exist outside the realm of reality, bending the knee to an anti-democratic felon rapist so he can get some handouts.

Pathetic loser.

Growing up, if you had told me half or more of America would end up elevating a rapist to the presidency and prostrating themselves at his feet, I'd have laughed you out of the room. This nation has sunk LOW.

NordVPN is superior in every way. If you have ProtonVPN, dump it and swap to Nord.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 5 hours ago (9 children)

I literally just switched over from Google a few months ago and finally got all settled in. Just great. Does anyone know of any good alternative? I know Tuta exists, are there other options?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 hours ago (5 children)

FWIW if you switched once then next switch is RADICALLY easier.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Well, switching from Proton was more painful for me, at least on a free account, as it won't gel with a desktop client like Thunderbird or Outlook, and last I checked, didn't allow email forwarding.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 hours ago

I’ve liked my experience setting up Purelymail with a custom domain!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 hours ago

Same here. Fuck me.

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[–] MolecularCactus1324 21 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

I wouldn’t say he embraced Trump, I’d say he is pro-breaking big tech, since that would probably help Proton.

Bernie Sanders even came out and said “hey, if Trump wants to cap credit card interest rates, I’m with him on that.”

Trump says a lot of shit to appeal to working class people. I don’t disagree with reminding him of what he said and holding him to those things, if he’s now going to be president.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 hours ago

It's not even a matter of "thinking" that, it's basically what he said. All his "siding" is in the context of antitrust and breaking tech monopolies. I don't think trump will do much in this space, but dems didn't do much either. If Trump will (the election is over anyway, so we are not discussing of choosing trump for this) it's good, even if it comes from the Trump administration.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 hours ago

What's that, Lassie? Another platform that's not self hosted outing themselves as a chud? Well, I never!

[–] MITM0 13 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

This is a stretch & honestly not worth abandoning proton because of this. Don't just abandon a good FOSS/Privacy project just because of a CEO's (of a frickin Non-Profit) statements, you're too busy arguing & not getting things done Have some nuance guys

Could be 1000+ IQ chess move in disguise, appeal to Trump's ego & get him to make trouble for big-tech

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 6 hours ago (7 children)

The official @[email protected] account replied and doubled down

[email protected] - @jonah

Corporate capture of Dems is real. In 2022, we campaigned extensively in the US for anti-trust legislation.

Two bills were ready, with bipartisan support. Chuck Schumer (who coincidently has two daughters working as big tech lobbyists) refused to bring the bills for a vote.

At a 2024 event covering antitrust remedies, out of all the invited senators, just a single one showed up - JD Vance.

1/2

[email protected] - @jonah By working on the front lines of many policy issues, we have seen the shift between Dems and Republicans over the past decade first hand.

Dems had a choice between the progressive wing (Bernie Sanders, etc), versus corporate Dems, but in the end money won and constituents lost.

Until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses.

2/2

(Less importantly, my response)

[–] dance_ninja 69 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

So sounds like their main concern is addressing the abuses of the FAANG monopolies, and only a Republican has talked to them about it.

I guess that is understandable in that very narrow lens, but it's a bit laughable considering how all the big tech companies are also cozying up to the Trump administration. All this has done for me is make me wary of anything Proton does now.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago (6 children)

Actually I disagree on the latest part. I actually questioned, why google and Facebook had to go kiss the ring and pay some bucks to Trump, and didn't have to do that before? This for me is a sign of a disalignment between big tech and the administration.

That said, it's very much possible (I would say likely) trump won't do shit and he just happens to have the "correct" position on this particular issue because it can be used to attack the Californian elite (I.e. dem elite). But it's a matter of fact that it's auspicable he will follow up with action on his words on this, even if for the wrong reasons.

[–] vatlark 2 points 2 hours ago

That's some interesting perspective, I hadn't thought of it that way. With Trump it's really hard to know what is coming until it happens, but it's nice that some people see a silver lining.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Also the obviously reactionary and self-interested history of right wing reaction to FAANG, which largely has been fueled by a backlash to restraints on misinformation, and is riddled with special case exceptions (e.g. Palestine).

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

These fuckers act like they've never heard of Lina Khan. Let's see if Republicans try to replace her with someone with a stronger track record. Or, if they're so serious about tech competition maybe they'll get on board with net neutrality.

And look, I actually like Gail Slater (the Trump nominee that kicked off this thread). She's got some bona fides, and I welcome Republicans taking antitrust more seriously, and rolling back the damage done by Robert Bork and his adherents (including and probably most significantly Ronald Reagan).

But to pretend that Democrats are less serious about antitrust than Republicans ignores the huge moves that the Biden administration have made in this area, including outside of big tech.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 hours ago

By my lights your response is quite effective, and while I appreciate the modesty I think it's appropriate to bring it over here:

Unfortunately, there's a line beyond which it's not okay to view a political party through one issue, and IMO the Republicans have crossed that line.

Privacy is a human rights issue. Republicans have signaled very strongly that they're going to violate more human rights. It's a net loss for privacy if that happens, even if big tech is a bit more restrained.

I'm sorry @protonprivacy, you've failed this test IMO. It would be one thing to say that given that the Republicans are in power, that Gail Slater is a good pick, but that's not the stance you took.

[–] ShotDonkey 21 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Fuck, they are dumb and bad businessmen. What's the reason still to chose their product over Tuta, Posteo, Mullvad? They have lost their unique selling point as at least pretending being a neutral instance providing private services. Plain stupidity.

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[–] edg 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

That is somet nieve horseshit. Goddammit I don't want to switch email providers again!

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Why does he think Trump is against big tech when he's working side by side with Musk?

[–] ghurab 38 points 5 hours ago

He doesn't. it's just lube to help his customers swallow his bullshit

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 hours ago

Yes I'm sure he'll crack down hard on all the tech companies that are giving him millions of dollars and kissing his feet...

What a moron.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

Taking the time to remove Google, embraced proton mail ... Maybe it's time to just write letters and send meme post cards.

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[–] italics2 -4 points 1 hour ago

It's ridiculous how many people just go "oh well time to dump Proton" because of a picture (not even a link) of a tweet without context. Also the title is misleading. Andy Yen in this picture is complementing Trump, and also apperently posting facts about who started the antitrust actions. "Embracing" is, really, as I have written, misleading.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Very disappointing that this is the CEO and founder of Proton. I'll be moving my stuff elsewhere and deleting my account this week.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Where are you moving? I'm interested in alternatives to Proton Mail and Proton Drive

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Sure, yeah, anti-big tech.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 hours ago

Well, that's a platform I'm leaving now.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 hours ago (5 children)

Ffs. I just switched a ton of stuff over to proton. Hopefully this is an individuals view and not that of the company as a whole.

[–] enbyecho 13 points 5 hours ago

Nope, unfortunately. See official response posted above.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I'm in the same boat. What a shit show.

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[–] brucethemoose 140 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (5 children)

Standing up for the little guy. Huh. Is that why billionaires and CEO are throwing literal tens of millions at Trump? Why he staffed his cabinet with billionaires? Why the center of his policy is tax cuts for the giga wealthy, at the expense of everyone else and the national debt, at a time where wealth inequality is literally tearing the country apart?

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/15/trump-windfall-fundraising-500-million

https://www.axios.com/2024/12/09/trump-wealth-cabinet-politicians-billionaires

These are objective, public facts. Like, I'm way more conservative than Lemmy’s center and willing acknowledge any good Trump does, but what reality is this guy living in? Who is this statement for? Who the heck does he think is using Proton services? He just pissed off his employees and customers for… What?

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