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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

play stupid games win stupid prizes

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 2 days ago (10 children)

What people are missing in the comments is that you can choose to play a bot match if that's what you want. But you CAN'T sign up to play against people and guarantee that that's what you'll be doing. And they are not transparent about it.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 days ago

That and also penalizing you for disconnecting from Bot matches is wild

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Makes sense why the game feels soo easy, And i like it this way.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I prefer this over SBMM but at what point does it just become dead gaming theory?

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[–] Duamerthrax 122 points 2 days ago (22 children)

I wasn't going to play a hero shooter anyway, but fuck this. I just want to go back to arena shooters, server browsers and no stat tracking.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Arena Shooters have tried and tried to recapture the magic but it's just long gone. As soon as Overwatch showed up, the game had changed. Then Quake itself just had to do the same thing with Champions and look where that got them. Then Unreal Tournament turned into Fortnite and that was the last nail in the coffin.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Arena Shooters have tried and tried to recapture the magic but it's just long gone

Xonotic would like a word, it never left and it has an ever growing number of fans.

High level gameplay in Xonotic can be seen as nothing other than an a slow and steady evolution of arena shooter design and Xonotic is nothing less than pure flow state when you play.

https://youtu.be/YbQXnlLVlLw

https://xonotic.org/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

People paying for Marvel licenses aren't really interested in a couple of thousand players though.

If they're not going gangbusters then it will be shuttered within a month like Concord.

I used play the odd arena shooter (think I've still got an Unreal Tournament CD sat around somewhere) and while I'm old enough to remember them, I don't have the reactions to enjoy them and if I'm honest I never did.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago

They aren't suggesting that it's for those players. They're telling OP and people who agree with them to go play the games that are designed how they want.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

yeah I wasn't meaning to suggest a marvel arena shooter, agreed it would obviously be way too niche

[–] glimse 21 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I feel like if any genre changes shooters forever, it was Battle Royales. They exploded in popularity after Fortnite and then when the market was oversaturated, AAA devs switched to "the next big thing" which happened to be hero shooters. But I really can't blame a game or genre for that.

I think the boardrooms at AAA studios changed the game forever by forcing devs to chase that "next big thing" over originality.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat 49 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Shame on you for saying Fortnite popularized Battle Royals. Player Unknown's Battlegrounds is the one that did it. Hell, before that, Fortnite was a zombie survival game and only added Battle Royal as an alternative mode after the fact

[–] glimse 34 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I have over a hundred hours in PUBG so I'm not claiming Fortnite invented the genre but you can't deny that Fortnite isn't the game that made it blow up.

PUBG had no marketability. Gritty gameplay, toxic community, aimed at adults, and an awful name. It was also $30 and PC-only until after Fortnite blew up.

Fortnite was bright and silly and on every platform and F R E E.

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[–] Katana314 1 points 1 day ago

A friend of mine linked me to one called Straftat that seems fun. It’s built around small maps and 1v1 fights.

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[–] [email protected] 101 points 2 days ago (13 children)

Being punished for leaving bot matches is the only issue I'd have with this.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 days ago

The article says that you do indeed get punished for leaving.

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[–] njm1314 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hell I'm okay with that. I don't play with any of you people anyway

[–] Maalus 1 points 1 day ago

Cool. Then stick to the vs AI matches. Don't join a PvP gamemode to expect to play against bots.

[–] Exeous 64 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Is this problem? Think it make sense and way to learn more mechanics of game.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

I'm conflicted with this. But it's a problem because the game is not clear about it and you can't choose, the game just put 4 people + 2 bots against 6 bots.

I "tried" to get a bot match yesterday after getting 2 loses in a row, playing with things that I normally don't play and not caring too much with the objective. Took 5 loses in a row to get 1 bot match.

For a person to get a lot of bot matches they need a lot of loses, at that point the person is probably better playing against bot to improve a little bit. But I think the game should suggest to the player to do that instead of forcing and hiding that they are playing against bots.

[–] Xanis 20 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Obfuscation. Corporate figures telling or giving people the option will hurt their feelings so they'll stop playing. A player who quits is no longer a tier two type with the potential to spend money, so they'll only do this if it becomes a PR nightmare that affects their bottom line.

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[–] Revonult 23 points 2 days ago (8 children)

If I sign up for a match expecting to play against players and get matched with bots I would be upset.

Like most games have options like vs bots or vs players. I think it's a bit ridiculous to not have even that basic control over your game experience. Regardless if you just get crushed.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago (4 children)

That's unsurprising, I don't bother with multiplayer games at all because always getting stomped so bad you don't even learn how to fucking play isn't worth the time. One assumes they have to come up with some sort of strategy to keep players like me on a pvp only game.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It's rather common Knowledge that NetEase does this exact thing in Narala: Bladepoint, so yeah, not surprising, at all.

I also vaguely remember this being a thing in Pokemon: Unite, not sure if that's also a NetEase game.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Last time I played Fortnite it was also like this. It was bots + other weak players like you. It felt quite okay, early in the match you got some easy bot kills and later you had some challenge dealing with actual players of your skill level.

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