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[–] [email protected] 91 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

This is the real reason for the ban.

"National security" just translates to "public opinion of the war(s)"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Its more simplified to "lack of ability to control the narrative" and also "My billionaire masters cant turn a profit from it"

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Mitt Romney might just be the only member of the GOP with at least a single honest bone in his body.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

So that's who the democrats will run in 2028

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Irritatingly plausible. I'm going to be stoked if we get another election at all though.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

We will. A free and fair one, though? Outlook not so good.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well we'll have an actual primary if there's an election so if he gets through a democratic primary, that's on democrat voters. I also don't think he wants to run.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

very funny to see the results of the last few dem primaries and still think that voters choose who the candidate will be

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, its just nice when they're honest about it.

US republicans will be like: "8 men should own this country and everyone else can die in the gutter". US democrats will be like: "We need to reframe the conversation about the lived experiences of so many of our constituents, and reach solutions that include these realities [policies not different from those above]".

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Democrats are evil fucks too. But not evil enough that I’m going to give Mitt Romney any credit.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

They're evil enough. If complete support for yet another genocide isn't "evil enough" I wonder what might do it.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 weeks ago

Palestinians getting to broadcast the horrors visited upon them by zionists is bad. /s

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 weeks ago

I guess I am going to give my kids access to my VPN I don't trust the government at all any more

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

So let me get this straight....

The Tiktok ban, that was first proposed in Jan 2020, and was banned from government devices in Dec 2022, was getting first drafts for laws banned in Dec 2022, another law was proposed to block in nationwide in Jan 2023, was further restricted in March of 2023, and was signed into law to banned Tiktok nation wide on April 2023 (to be completely removed by Jan 2025) is solely being done to censor information about a conflict that started in Oct 2023...

Yeah, check outs. 👍

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

If you make the point simpler it works. "We are banning tiktok because it is a social media platform we have no ability to censor" with this in mind it makes sense to say "its because of isreal-palastine" because that is just a facet of not having control over platform censorship.

If you really believe that when they say they are getting rid of tiktok it is for national security you're a fucking rube, they have been taking away our freedoms for decades under the guise of national security, they sure as fuck dont consider it any sort of threat that any of the American social media platform would sell your data do a hostile foreign power. They want it gone because A) they cannot control what spreads on it, and B) their rich owners arnt profiting from it.

If you want to argue that any social media platform dying is a good thing, then i can at least sympathize (thought id argue this isnt a step in the direction of getting rid of social media in general), but if you think banning tiktok is about anything more than corruption you're a rube.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

The law was April 2024, so you know, after October 2023. The sudden political push to get that done instead of stall out line 2020-2023 is what's being talking about.

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[–] normanwall 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I don't think it's the reason

The Israelis have effectively been committing genocide in slow motion for decades

[–] demizerone 7 points 2 weeks ago

The real reason is the American Oligarchs don't like foreign competition to their data collection.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Everyone moving to The Little Red Book (or "RedNote") is creating some very funny interactions, lmao. Super cute honestly

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What a shitty government you have if the truth puts it on danger. I see why Russia and China appeal to this information (and misinformation) war, seems like the US people has grown to be very gullible, so whoever controls the narrative, controls them. And totally self inflicted, your own government did this to you so they could control you better.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And Amerikkka plays the information war too. I’m remembering a CIA operation to spread vaccine misinformation in the Philippines.

If China and Russia are “bad” because of the information war, Amerikkka is at the very least just as guilty. At the very least.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

It's just another cold war, being fight with bots and social engineering. I wonder how future historians are going to call this period, as also involves trading supply chains.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The second someone starts showing American war crimes they are a security risk. But Americans somehow still believe in free speech.

[–] Majorllama 6 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Yes because nobody is talking about the Palestine/Israel situation on any other social media platforms. /s

The more likely reason is that it's a social media company that the government currently has zero control over. Being owned by a (Taiwanese?) company the US can't ask them to track data and the CIA/FBI can't fill it with propaganda or whatever else they want.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yes because nobody is talking about the Palestine/Israel situation on any other social media platforms. /s

But are they?

I know they are on Fediverse sites, but is it really being discussed on Twitter and Facebook?

[–] Majorllama 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Reddit, twitter, Facebook, Twitch, YouTube, tiktok and now Lemmy. I can't think of a single social media site I've used in the last year that didn't have people talking about Palestine in one way or another.

It's why I doubt the claim that the US government is specifically trying to ban tiktok because of the Palestine/Israel situation. They wanted TikTok gone before the October 7th 2023 attack.

I believe it's more likely a nation security issue being owned by a Chinese company than anything to do with Palestine whatsoever.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This just shows that you haven't been paying attention. Pro-palestine content is moderated off those platforms as "anti-semitic". Raise your hand below if reddit has banned you for being anti-zionist.

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[–] Limonene 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The /s at the end means he was being sarcastic.

But truthfully, there are some places (such as isolated bubbles on Facebook, I would expect) where people honestly believe that opposition to Israel is based on antisemitism, being unaware of the genocide.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

The /s at the end means he was being sarcastic.

Right, which leads me to believe that they are implying that people are talking about the Palestine / Israel situation on other platforms.

I don't go on FB often, but when I do I never see anything on there about Israel. I never go on Twitter, but from what I've heard any mention of genocide is met with accusations of antisemitism and the conversation is shut down.

[–] Limonene 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's based in China, not Taiwan. (They are different countries, IMO.)

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Real 'chicken or egg' vibes with that one

[–] CentauriBeau 6 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

What happened to us (Americans)? We used to look down on Soviet propaganda and book burning; congratulating ourselves on our free speech. Now we’re burning books and outlawing news sources that don’t abide by the official propaganda. It’s sickening.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Because our empire is collapsing

[–] Allonzee 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Entropy will not be denied.

Rome always falls to the corruption of its elite run amuck.

[–] Duamerthrax 6 points 2 weeks ago

Don't forget the lead poisoning. Something else America has in common with the Romans.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago

The US has always had propaganda and book burning, it's just really good at projection. Hell, even D&D was attacked for being "satanic."

[–] yetiftw 10 points 2 weeks ago

did you miss the red scare? it's always been this way

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

Lol, classic American. Sees Americans doing bad things in America in a way that America has always done: "what are we, a bunch of Russians!"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

You're moving out of golden age and into the 'find out' stage.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

We used to look down on Soviet propaganda and book burning; congratulating ourselves on our free speech.

pssst

those were lies too

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