Ewww not even vscodium
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Just out of interest, what are the reasons someone would move from neovim to helix?
I switched after development ended on the package manager I was using on neovim. I didn't at that moment want to simplify my vimconfig, so I looked into helix.
Helix highlights the action you take, so if for example, you are deleting 5 lines, you select the lines first then hit delete. Sometimes the vim actions end up taking fewer keystrokes though. And I still prefer some ways vim does things. And I don't always agree with the kakoune inspiration of helix (I haven't used kakoune, just going by what the docs say) - for example, movement always selects text which I then have to unhighlight.
But the biggest reason I stuck to helix was sane LSP defaults out of the box with minimal config. I was tired of having to fix LSP related bugs in my vim config after package updates.
TLDR: saner defaults for helix + lazy to fix my bloated vimconfig.
i have sort of done this. the main thing is that the reversed object-verb command model just... latches onto your brain. this is from kakoune of course, but it just makes a lot of sense coming from vimland. multicursor is also nice because it removes some modes, meaning there is less state to keep in your head. finally, the plug-and-play nature of helix means you can have an lsp-enabled environment from the word go, with no configuration.
That's a good enough excuse for me to try it! Thanks.
Immediately after you install helix, you can start working, no config required. It's really nice.
It also has OOTB LSP, unlike in neovim where you have to setup manually for each installed LSP, helix just detects it. I also personally think it has better keybinds than neovim.
But it still doesn't have a plugin system, and it's quite opinionated. They're both amazing, and great options. Just depends on what you want in an editor; customizability, or do you want it to just work.
Personally, I love to tinker (especially on my main machine) so I don't mind the complexities of setting up neovim. However, I do mess around with a bunch of servers, and I like to edit code on those servers, meaning I am often installing/compiling neovim and copying over my config before I can get to work.
What I am liking about helix is the idea that its default setup has what I need to get started straight away.
I am looking forward to giving helix a go.
So do i :) but i think helix is especially powerful with nix, for example. instead of having 5 compilers, lsps and such installed, you can create a nix flake for your project and it'll install all that stuff for you. But for neovim you'd have to manually configure those LSPs in your config, so it is kind of just pointless anyway. But helix automatically loads all your installed LSPs, no config required. I love that about it, but neovim has grown on me.
Plus, helix's keybinds are amazing, even better than neovims. God i miss it.
I switched to zed too. It's not perfect but it's just nice to use a different editor that is not sluggish.
Zed is amazing
Code and intellij have plugins available to use vim keybindings on them. I like this approach to get the best of both worlds
This is the way
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"But guys, gtfomp" - emacs
Me with zed
Me but in reverse
If by any chance here's someone else using vis, I salute you!
vis is such a neat idea, i followed it years ago. any good plugins yet? i really love the structural regex workflow but since kakoune/helix hijacked my muscle memory i would need more support for external tools to go full vis...
The thing about good plugins is relative - I just have vis-pairs, but I am not a seasoned developer (I'm not even a formal developer/CS person, just a graphic designer doing frontend and a tiny bit of backend!) so I don't really miss anything else. vis' phylosophy relies on the unix-as-ide concept, though. Still I do know that there is stuff like a LSP plugin.
What I really miss from vim is buffers. vis still does not have a client/server feature so you still have to rely in its allegedly temporary split panes kinda solution. It seems vis' main developer got some personal issues going on so volunteers are doing some little changes here and there but with so few manpower it doesn't seem like those needed big changes are happening anytime soon. Hence why I'm trying to spread its gospel in hopes to get people interested in contributing to it.
i thought vis specifically wanted to remain single-file?
No, for example I can open two or more splits (horizontal or vertical) - the catch there is that I can't open an horizontal split AND a vertical split. If I have two horizontal splits and want a vertical one, the previous two would go vertical (?). I read somewhere on the issues list that this was rather a temporary solution to be able to "see"/"edit" more than one file at the same time.
Not to mention there aren't things like tabs or windows. They want to let that be managed by a window manager, which sounds like the sane thing to do, but as I was telling before - not enough people with enough time to pull that off. The discussion about the RPC interface goes from a while back: https://github.com/martanne/vis/issues/59
Zed representing
The comparison is bad. It's more like comparing a kind of crappy car to a nice unicycle once you factor in UX. Not everyone likes to punch in key combinations so complicated it's making game cheats look simple in comparison.