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After receiving the text for the ad quoted above, a representative from the advertising team suggested AFSC use the word “war” instead of “genocide” – a word with an entirely different meaning both colloquially and under international law. When AFSC rejected this approach, the New York Times Ad Acceptability Team sent an email that read in part: “Various international bodies, human rights organizations, and governments have differing views on the situation. In line with our commitment to factual accuracy and adherence to legal standards, we must ensure that all advertising content complies with these widely applied definitions.”

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[–] kreskin 12 points 13 hours ago

Those violent quakers making trouble again...

[–] [email protected] 25 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

the New York Times Ad Acceptability Team sent an email that read in part: “Various international bodies, human rights organizations, and governments have differing views on the situation. In line with our commitment to factual accuracy and adherence to legal standards, we must ensure that all advertising content complies with these widely applied definitions.”

They're god-damn right. "War" is not an appropriate word for this. The consensus amongst international human rights orgs is that its a "genocide".

At first I thought this was a quote from the Quakers as to why they wouldn't run the ad with the word "war"

[–] [email protected] 14 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

I worked along side some rad Christians in Palestine (doing human rights work, documenting Israeli war crimes, etc).

Please donate to Christian Peacemaking Team. They're awesome.

https://cpt.org/

They're founded by Quakers and other nonviolent Christian sects. I also learned that their members pay less taxes because they legally dont have to pay taxes that go to the US military. So if you pay taxes in the US and dont want to support genocide, consider changing to one of those religions.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

You and I may know some of the same people! Does the name Max Carter mean anything to you?

Small correction though: the taxes thing isn’t actually true… there were (probably still are, but I’ve not been actively involved in enough years to feel justified making the claim) Quakers who chose to hold a percent of their income tax in escrow rather than give it to the government under the argument that their conscientious objector status should keep their money from going to the military.

It is not a legally recognized stance, and these people risk fees, interest, and legal action for their withholdings. And yet they choose to risk that as a form of peaceful protest.

Your comment dredged up all the memories of a workshop/talk I attended by one of these folks when I was in probably high school? It was not something done lightly or without effort.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

One of the volunteers that I met said they have a dedicated day at the church to help church members file their taxes correctly (she was the one that organized it and helped other church members do it correctly). She said it was recognized, but only a very few sects qualified.

She didn't mention anything about consequences.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

I’m wondering if that may be the Mennonites? Like the Amish, they don’t have social security numbers so the tax code is definitely different for them. I can say with confidence that Quakers don’t have that exclusion.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

Yes, the Mennonites were one of the founders of CPT

[–] [email protected] 13 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

pihole -b *.nytimes.com

Done

[–] mlg 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

They already have a subscription fee charge to access their crappy journalism lol.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 17 hours ago

They already have a subscription fee

FYI for anyone who cares:

[–] febra 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Liberal newspaper never disappoint in aiding fascism.

[–] Doomsider 32 points 1 day ago (22 children)

Genocide is just too strong of a word. They are just disagreeing by murdering all their population. You see, it is just a disagreement.

[–] assassinatedbyCIA 8 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Genocide is only genocide if it comes from the genocide region of france. Otherwise it’s just a sparkling massacre.

[–] Doomsider 1 points 13 hours ago

Wow, that was a good one!

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[–] misterdoctor 112 points 1 day ago (18 children)

My goofy ass thought it meant the oatmeal guys

[–] FlyingSquid 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Wilford Brimley once upvoted a video parody I made involving him and it made me so happy.

[–] misterdoctor 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

That’s high praise, honestly.

[–] FlyingSquid 2 points 5 hours ago

Absolutely agreed.

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