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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

surpassed in what? sales? doubt! quality? doubt.

what is this AI Slob blog ad?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

today’s best handheld

no trackpads, I rest my case.

[–] dinckelman 32 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'll be honest, the Ally as a complete product is not appealing to me whatsoever. Yes, it's much faster and better on paper, but it's not better in reality. Admittedly Bazzite makes it a lot better, but it still has way too many drawbacks, compared to Deck. Even more so, it can be said about whatever MSI made

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago

For me it's just that the deck is a better low power device and has trackpads. I can play RPGs from the 90s at 3 watts for 8 hours on a single charge. The thing I'm most excited for in a deck2 would be even better performance under 10W.

[–] polysics 3 points 2 days ago

Exactly this.

[–] polysics 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

As someone that has both (and I did install Bazzite on the Ally) I have found myself still using the Steam Deck. Like many in my (admittedly fortunate) situation, I had a deck first then got an Ally later out of curiosity if the "more power" aspect would make an impactful difference in gaming on more demanding titles. And while yes you can get more frames/use higher graphics settings on demanding titles, I keep going back to the Deck because it's just a better overall experience. Even with Bazzite on the Ally, there's just this level of Jank that prevents me from using it as my main "console."

A recent example: I finally beat Horizon Zero Dawn (original version ran great on the Deck and I played through the whole game on it) so naturally I fired up the sequel, Forbidden West. Since it's a newer game it's a bit more demanding and not officially a verified Deck game, but I've been able to get it to run at a mostly steady 30fps anyway. I was curious how much better the Ally would run it so I tried it for a day or two, and while I get more fps, the frame pacing and controller response and screen and speakers just soured the experience so I went right back to the Deck and I'll be playing the rest of the game on that. I had similar experiences with other demanding games like Cyberpunk, BG3, Dragon Age, etc.

And yes I know that there is "tweaking" I can probably do to make things "perfect" on the Ally but I just want something that works when I want to just play a game, but allows me to go down the tweaking rabbit hole when I want to. The Steam Deck does that in all regards. And no, my issue with the Ally aren't from a lack of knowledge (I've worked in IT for over 20yrs, I know what I'm doing when it comes to making a PC work) because I do often mess around with the Deck to "perfect" a respective experience with a game.

Maybe when Valve finally releases SteamOS for other hardware will I give it another go (though they can't change the hardware itself), but until then, I'll stick with the Steam Deck (and my big rig for the few games that are just too demanding)

Edit: and for the curious, I only got around 40fps on Forbidden West in the most demanding areas compared to 30fps on the Deck, and I put the two on identical settings, including graphics preset, resolution (720p on Ally, 800p on Deck because aspect ratio) and everything else. So the added power didn't do enough to justify the rest of the experience.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Steam Deck is more than software and a slightly old APU, its also the controlls and build quality. Tbh I dont think any company can truly surpass the Steam Deck.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

People have the wrong ideas. Steam Deck LCD was a pure test object anyway, where they saw that there was a market, which is why Valve also released the Oled version. Valve has left the hardware open so that you can also install other OS. Valve may also see competition there, even if the competition releases more powerful hardware. Valve's hardware is still secondary and steam, which is installed everywhere, is still their core product. The better hardware the competition brings, the more power-hungry games people will buy.

Steam Deck vs .... is just nonsense.

[–] [email protected] 94 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

One of the appealing things about the Steam Deck is its repairability. Valve even made the analog sticks modular, published a teardown video, and partnered with iFixit to make replacement parts available, IIRC.

It would be hard to convince me that a device that doesn't beat the Deck in this area is "today's best". It's important.

[–] anarchyrabbit 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The ROG ally is extremely easy to repair and replace parts.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As someone who owns neither but is impressed by this new boom in handhelds, I'm just happy that there are multiple options that are repairable and modular.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Not the case for me (at least for the original model). I used it a lot for a few month before it just... stopped charging, not with the supplied power cable, not with any other cable capable of charging it.

Weirdest of all it still detects usb-c for files & stuff, and charges with a phone cable, but the power delivery is so crap that it doesn't even show up as charging on the taskbar.

Sent it to general repair many times, they could not find out why it does that. It could be a windows problem, and i wish i was in the minority here, but it basically dead weight now.

[–] anarchyrabbit 1 points 1 day ago

I get what you are saying. Unfortunately not the whole of the ROG is modular, especially with specific hardware such as charging, SD card etc. Not sure how this differs compared to the steam deck.

[–] JoeKrogan 155 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I'll stick with the deck. I'd rather a Linux first approach and to support the people putting in the work.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Agreed. It's hard to believe anyone still recommends Asus after the whole GN debacle.

Steam Deck has the OLED display, better efficiency/battery life, is hundreds of dollars cheaper, is supported by a company that actually cares about it's customers, and doesn't need to mess around with installing a different OS.

[–] Amaterasu 15 points 3 days ago

Agree. Asus never really put much of an effort to support Linux, for example, for the big companies, fwupd, we only see Dell and Lenovo support.

[–] [email protected] 111 points 3 days ago (7 children)

As always, I’m not going to be able to play half my usual games without touchpads.

Analog sticks do not make a good mouse replacement.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's why I loved the steam controllers...

[–] ggppjj 30 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I really love the deck's layout, the original steam controller only having one analogue stick killed it in my opinion. I could never get used to trackpads joystick emulation in games that were designed for an Xbox controller.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 days ago (18 children)

Valve leaked a Steam Controller 2 thumbnail in their SteamVR drivers recently:

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 3 days ago (5 children)

No touchpads. OOTB experience questionable and Bazzite is a community project, compared to first party support from Valve for the Deck.

And the display isn't definitely better. Yes it's 120 Hz, higher resolution and VRR, but the Deck's OLED has proper HDR support and 90 Hz is probably enough for this type of device (as is the resolution, although I'd take a higher res screen as well for 2D games). The main thing that the Deck's screen is missing is VRR imo.

[–] 474D 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I'm running bazzite on my steam deck and I love it, it gives me more compatibility with uh... alternatively sourced games. It may be a community project, but it's brilliantly done

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oh Bazzite is great, no doubt about it.

But it's not endorsed/supported in any way by ASUS so ROG Ally (X) compatibility isn't a given. ASUS could release a firmware update tomorrow that breaks compatibility (very unlikely of course).

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 3 days ago (2 children)

GamersNexus proved that ASUS is a scummy company and the ROG Ally isn't a great product

[–] chronicledmonocle 23 points 3 days ago (5 children)

The Ally and Ally X are very different products, but yes.....Asus is scum.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 days ago

And Asus is still going strong with the shitty prebuilt GN reviewed yesterday that was the worst prebuilt GN had ever reviewed.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago

Plenty of comments have already addressed the touchpads. But the other thing that only the steam deck does right now, is the symmetrical joysticks at the top of the device. Personally, I find having the right joystick farther down on a heavy handheld absolutely brutal for ergonomics, and it's the reason I never touch my Switch Lite

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 days ago (20 children)

When will literally any media outlet notice that the touchpads are what make the Deck really special?

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[–] theunknownmuncher 26 points 3 days ago

No touchpads? Not even a contender lmao

[–] mipadaitu 27 points 3 days ago (6 children)

I'm sure Valve loves the fact that more people are locked into the Steam store.

Steam is great, and there's workarounds for using other installed games/stores, but... kinda feels bad that this stuff is so integrated into the Valve/Steam experience.

Don't get me wrong, I use my steam deck... a lot... and I buy most of my games on Steam... I just wish GOG and Epic integration was a little more integrated, just so I don't feel so locked in to one company. (yes, I'm aware of heroic launcher, and other options, but they're still just hacked on extra steps that don't always work)

[–] [email protected] 51 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (9 children)

There's nothing stopping epic or GOG from distributing a flatpak for their experiences/stores, the question is where are they?

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Thing is, unlike other vendor lockins, it's on GOG and Epic for not providing a launcher. It's super easy to install alternate launchers on the Steam Deck, it's just Epic and GOG haven't released official ones yet...

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Agreed but that's just life in Linux in general. If epic and gog don't want to do the work to have a legitimate option in Linux (makes sense given market share), we'll keep doing the best we can with the hacky options while supporting the platform that is putting in the work.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago

The possibility of needing to deal with Asus tech support kinda ruins this whole thing.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago

It won't surpass the Deck for me until they put trackpads on it!

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