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[–] Hikermick 64 points 3 days ago (2 children)

There's a lesson to be learned here:

Remove lead? Industry fights it. Lead gets removed. Industry is fine.

Acid rain? Industry fights it. Sulfur dioxide emissions reduced. Industry is fine.

Hole in ozone layer? Industry fights it. PFCs removed. Industry just fine.

Global warming? Industry fights it...

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

But the industry WASN'T fine. They lost a fraction of a fraction of a percent in profits by going for the cleaner, safer options. How can you be so heartless.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

Clearly nobody has thought about the corpo parasite mate...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

There is an issue of scale in that series. The first three are relatively small cost fixes. Addressing global climate change requires fundamentally reconfiguring all industry, globally at the very least. That's orders of magnitude more costly than the first three fixes. And it's orders of magnitude more difficult to get done politically, and engineering-wise.

But beyond that it may require massive reductions in consumption, trade and transportation. Possibly even short term remediation efforts like sprinkling silver dust in the stratosphere, which is estimated to cost in the hundred trillion dollar range.

I like that your comment shows that progress can be made against entrenched powerful interests though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nope all it requires is a tax on greenhouse gas emissions, that’s it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So no one has to change anything physically? Just tax and poof? Neat trick.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Here’s the Wikipedia article on carbon tax it’s quite positive about it

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_tax

[–] [email protected] 106 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Looks around at the trump world… yep

[–] Tyfud 32 points 4 days ago

Yup. About half of them voted this last election.

[–] Duamerthrax 20 points 3 days ago

And they vote.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

Over 75 years, Hauer said lead exposure doubled the risk of schizophrenia for 89 million Americans, while quadrupling the risk of attention deficit disorder (ADHD) among another 170 million U.S. adults. The research also found a spike in anxiety, depression and neuroticism and a decrease in conscientiousness over the same period.

​The authors note that lead exposures would have also occurred from lead pipes, contaminated food and soil, and airborne dust from lead-emitting industries and waste incineration, among other sources. However, all of the mental health disorders tracked in the study rose and fell with the prevalence of lead in gasoline.

https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/highlights/leaded-gasoline-legacy-linked-to-surge-in-schizophrenia-adhd-and-anxiety-disorders-finds-study-9902282

[–] MrMeanJavaBean 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I guess this explains Boomers

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

Gen X voted for Trump in greater numbers. We need to admit that half of Americans just fucking suck in general.

[–] Duamerthrax 11 points 3 days ago

Gen X was still knee deep in lead emissions.

Also, both groups have had a stranglehold on mainstream media, normalizing their sociopathy for the next generations.

[–] witten 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

For the record, less than a third of eligible voters voted for Trump.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Fair enough, a third of Americans are fascists and a third are too beaten down or stupid to care.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Honestly, as much as I'm grieved and angered by what the world is right now, I find it really hard to fault the average person for choosing ignorance in the face of the monstrous realities of everyday modernity. I know that things could be so much better, and I want them to see it too, and fight for it. (Thus why I made my account on slrpnk.net.)

But, it feels unfair for me to expect something of them that they may be unequipped to handle mentally and/or emotionally. Perhaps I'm just too nice—and perhaps that's the burden of having a big heart. Or perhaps I'm just too weak, and tough love would be more caring. I'm still figuring it out myself. 💔

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 days ago

This is why boomers hate their children.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

151 million? That number seems low to me....

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago

I think that's about the amount of people who were are currently alive, that had been born by the time leaded gas was banned, maybe a little bit less.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Don’t aircraft still use leaded fuel to this day?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

So uh, there was some studying being done at my local university about mapping health issues for residents living closer to airports and.... It ain't too great. :(

[–] kcuf 13 points 3 days ago (3 children)

That's probably related to all the other chemicals they use at airports (eg forever chemicals in fire retardant). 100LL (100 octane low lead) is only used in small piston engines, which is a very small population. They're trying alternatives that don't use lead, but I'm reading that the top contender is eating through paint and possibly gaskets and seals in the plane, which isn't safe either.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Only some small piston based aircraft engines. Commercial aviation doesn't use lead. It's not great, but it's not a particularly significant amount.

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[–] Duamerthrax 8 points 3 days ago

Yes. My boomer father drives to airports to get leaded gas for his lawn equipment and generators. He thinks I'm over reacting when I refuse to be near any of that shit when it's running.

[–] lote 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Wonder what we'll find out the lunchables have done to us.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

do you have eyes?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

like how is that news? we see them all the time.

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