Gisèle - Person of the year
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This is good, but the sentences should be ~2x as long. Still, a win in my book. Gisèle is a hero for this.
The dude is 72. He won't even make it the full length of his current sentencing
On principle it's still wrong, but at least in practice that's justice served.
I like how the headline's structure makes it sound as if "in France" was part of the punishment. Reminds me of "Fistful of Yen".
Take him to ~~Detroit~~ France!
20 years seems like a wrist-slap, but given that the main perp is likely in his 70s, this is a death sentence. I think the younger rapists should get life in prison, what the fuck is this 10 years sentencing bull shit.
This would be close to the maximum possible sentence in Germany, I assume France has similar rules.
Interesting that there weren't multiple charges of rape he was found guilty for, like would happen in the states. Each rape occurrence would have been a separate charge, and each one would have carried a 20 year maximum, so he'd be serving hundreds of years easy.
This is generally to ensure that even if he gets some of his years commuted for good behavior while inside prison, he's still got hundreds of years left to go. Making it a death sentence.
With that said, the US prison system is archaic and punitive, so I might need to re-evaluate my views.
In France, the punishments do not communicate. If one is found guilty of multiple charges, only the highest punishment is applied. Also the law specifies maximum punishments for the various crimes.
Wait, really? If you kill three people vs one it's the same sentence? That seems a bit odd. What's the deterrent from just committing the same crime 50x?
In the case of murder, the sentence is up to life in prison. So, in this case it will depend on the circumstances. Accidentally killing someone will not give you the same punishment as murdering several people.
Let's say, if you do a robbery and kill someone, you, Robert gives you 2 years in prison and murder 20 years (I am making the numbers up, I don't actually know) then you will be sentence for only 20 years (because this already includes 5 years).
In Germany at least, jail time doesn't scale linearly with the count of crimes or victims. Jail time isn't primarily meant as revenge or punishment, but more as the time required to revisit the mistakes you did and to make you again a functional member of society.
It won't necessarily make a difference if you murder one person or 10 or 100. Typically, the sentence will be 15 years. If the judge thinks you're too dangerous to ever be released again they can order you to stay in prison after the 15 years end ("Sicherheitsverwahrung") but also this decision will be revisited at some point.
Jail time isn’t primarily meant as revenge or punishment, but more as the time required to revisit the mistakes you did and to make you again a functional member of society.
Dear Americans;
This is what happens when your prisons don't rely on private profit motives to operate.
Signed: The civilised world.
I always enjoy the Americans having their minds blown when they find out how a rehabilitative justice system works.
It's crazy to me that they've set up a system that essentially requires recidivism in order to keep meat coming through the doors to function, and yet somehow think that that's normal.
There's this common myth that some people are 'just born bad'. I think that might be true for some, but the majority of crime is due to circumstances. Americans as a whole just cannot seem to accept that, plus the lot of them seem to have massive schadenfreude boners over "law and order".
Normally I'm 100% for this, it's just that this particular case seems so evil and egregious...
Well, I guess it depends on what you want to achieve.
If just you let a criminal rot in jail forever without any perspective, that's just an inhumane and expensive form of death sentence. If you desire revenge and torture that's your way to go.
On the other hand, I think 15 years in prison is a pretty long time to realize what you have done, to regret it and possibly change for the better. In a scenario without perspective you as a prisoner feel completely detached from society and instead of maybe having an epiphany one day, you'll rather feel more and more hatred.
Sure, if you're still as bad of a person at the end of your sentence, then you can't be released in order to protect society from you.
If I were a victim, I'd probably feel better knowing that my offender is released from prison, feels guilty and deeply regrets the crime. At least in comparison to someone that is proud of what happened, full of hate and is just waiting for a chance to get at me again.
I was thinking of that guy who raped her multiple times and had HIV. I really need that guy to have more than "some time to think about what you've done" because he'd probably jerk off to it. :(
Yeah, I don't say I don't understand your feelings. People seeking revenge is a natural impulse. It's just not what the German system aims for.
Are German prisons as scary as US (from what I've seen on TV) prisons or South African Prisons?
I'd rather die than spend two seconds in Pollsmoor prison.
I've seen a 60 minutes episode comparing German and US prisons on YouTube can recommend.
It's very different.
Are German prisons as scary as US (from what I’ve seen on TV) prisons or South African Prisons?
Nope, not even close from what I hear about the US prison system. It still sucks obviously and we just had a scandal in Augsburg where inmates have been tortured (beatings, not enough water provided, forced to stay naked, sleep on the floor etc).
No, I think there are some that are comparable to mid-class hotels and some that are a lower standard. But in general none should be as bad that you'd rather die if you didn't want to die before your imprisonment.
Yes and rightfully so. The punishment is taking away the freedom to move and not torture or slavery as it can be in the US.
I think the body horror of a Warhammer 40k servitor where you are trapped in an unending waking nightmare forced to perform a menial task completely unable to move or talk by removing your humanity and agency to be an independent person by replacing body parts with crude machinery, and kept alive unable to sleep with drugs in constant unending pain and anguish, and unable to interact with people consistently for years due to being placed within a random distant cold industrial alcove, is the proper punishment for rapists.
Edit: unable to scream and forced to speak through an AI voice encoder, like these people. They all look the same, but its implied they are different people because the brutal process to create servitors strips an individual of their unique identity.
Oh.
20 years is plenty to uproot anyone's life.
he should have had 20 + 10 years per co-defendants found guilty, so 530 years in prison.
What's up with these fantasy numbers? You do realize, that there is a maximum time people can spend in prison, because they will die at some point?
That's not how the justice system works in most (all?) Europe. Crimes are not a point system where you redeem "prizes", and the sentence is based on the particular crime committed, not the sum of all individual counts.
Many countries are also very rarely giving life sentences because they have generally very little point (no possibility to re-enter society=no rehabilitation possible) in addition to create other problems (like a complete disincentive to good behavior in prison - since literally nothing worse can happen to you).
Isn't he probably less than 20 years away from dying anyway?
That was fast.
The rapist kept videos and pictures I believe. There was tons of proof for everything he (and the others) did. I can see why this was relatively straightforward (in addition to have a big - deserved - amount of attention).