Chaotic Good

That was a jury of good people.

I had a friend back in the day who spent 25 years in jail for killing his father. His mom called him from three provinces away (Canada) and told him she was in hospital because his dad had beaten her so badly. My friend wasn't exactly a shining member of society at the time and was part of a street gang (1970's) dealing drugs and getting in brawls. The police in his city knew him by name and he'd spent time inside. He hadn't spoken to either of his very religious parents for 7-8 years at that point.

Upon hearing this form his mom, he stole a car immediately and drove until it had no fuel then stole another. He did this until he arrived at the farm where he grew up. He walked in the door, grabbed father by the lapel and drug him outside. Mother was still in hospital. He literally beat him to death right there with just his fists at the bottom of the steps of the family house and then phoned the police and turned himself in.

He was one of the genuinely nicest people I have ever met and would go out of his way on the regular to help anyone who needed help. I met him over 25 years ago. He'd be in his mid eighties now.

I've said this a few places now, but I'm pretty sure everyone has situations where they believe killing someone is justified. It could be the death penalty, or removing a dictator, self defence, whatever. And everyone will have some they think are wrong that others don't. I'd obviously want to avoid it as often as possible, and in instances where there is another viable alternative I'd prefer that to be taken, but there are plenty of situations where unfortunately there is no other method. I think relying on any rigid set of rules to definitively say something is wrong or right in all contexts is flawed. Laws shouldn't be some ultimate measure of morality, and things that should generally be unacceptable can still have exceptions, because nothing exists in a vacuum and the judgement of an action can't be done without understanding that context.

Ken McElroy also springs to mind. Known as the town bully, escaped justice multiple times, eventually the town got together and did what the law couldn't or wouldn't and resolved the issue.

Violence is often not the answer, but sometimes it is.

Murder is bad by default, but if everything else goes to hell in a really bad way, it can cross over to good or even moral obligation in some cases.

But it's more a sign of how screwed up everything is rather than something about murder in general.

Evil just won in a big way in the election. My capacity for empathy for those who choose to do bad shit has been stretched to the breaking point. I don't condone murder (and that includes legal indirect murder like what insurance companies do), but I sure as hell won't mourn when pieces of shit get killed.

I think differently. Murder is bad by default, and every killing is a failure of society to resolve its issues properly. But just because someone is bad and a failure doesn't mean it's the worst state. A dead nazi is worse than them changing their ways, but still better than a living nazi

I know the Daily Mail is a British publication so they need to be more careful about libel, but it's kinda crazy that the fucking Daily Mail is being so careful not to explicitly call him a nazi or white supremacist when he had a full on tatoo of Hitler on his chest, but so many actual generally respected papers here in the US have basically straight up called Mangione guilty. When the Daily Mail is doing a better job than you at something you should probably reflect lol.

It could theoretically be possible that he renounced his views and just hadn't been able to remove / cover up tattoos, so when writing the article they need to account for that (remote) possibility.

New York Times : new headlines coming!

Which will not be paid out.

That doesn't mean that's why he was killed. It could have to do with his gang activities, a robbery, random violence, etc.

"[He] was driving his box truck near the 7200 block on the Gulf Freeway when he was shot..." That's in the Houston area. The motive is most likely "this stupid truck cut me off and I have a gun."

Some nobody that's allegedly denied life saving treatment for millions gets shot, and now this upstanding gentleman with some local tattoos passes away unexpectedly ...

We, the journalists of America, are absolutely flabbergasted. It just doesn't make any se- hold on, please enjoy this ad.

Nazis: so hot right now.

Doubtful. I’d like to believe we live in a country where people risk their lives by self-identifying as Nazis, but sadly that’s not the case.

Good.

You Won't be Missed.

Thats not true, they make excellent bad guys for lazy storytelling.