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[–] [email protected] 99 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

There's definitely other life out there, but given a basic understanding of space and light speed travel, there is a zero chance we've made contact with non Earth life. The government has a direct benefit in claiming aliens or UFOs when testing their super military tech so our enemies are mislead on our militaries capabilities.

Like when trump posted a classified satellite image. Our population and all other governments had no idea we were capable of such clear satellite surveillance.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

On the contrary, I'd recommend looking up the Fermi paradox. It exists because if we assume that ftl is impossible, both in a literal and effective sense, a civilization with the capability of long-range subluminal travel would still have the ability to colonize the galaxy within a few million years.

Now, you might be tempted to think, "okay, so a few million years from now is when we'll start seeing them", but that's assuming they took as long as we did to evolve intelligence. If I'm not mistaken, there's some speculation that dinosaurs were a significant contributor to delaying the rise of mammals, and those were around for over 100 million years. What if a civilization skipped the "oppressed by giant lizard-birds" stage? The result is that they'd potentially be millions of years ahead of us technologically.

Also, because I regularly see this question pop up in any conversation involving aliens,

"why would they come to our world? They've probably got everything they want!"

Why does a human want to explore the ocean? Why does a human want to explore space? Curiosity. Maybe they want to see it for themselves instead of looking at pictures that their friends posted on Spacebook. Maybe we're small and adorable to them. There are plenty of reasons why they might check our world out that don't involve conquest, genocide, slavery or other symptoms of rampant capitalism and authoritarianism.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Why would they send a probe to inspect ships from a visible distance? They could fulfill all their curiosity from lightyears away

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[–] dandelo 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The Fermi Paradox is based on our understanding of physics, largely based in a 3 dimensional universe/reality. If these things are inter-dimensional, do those same rules apply?

What if physical distance, as we perceive it, is something unique to us as beings that perceive and navigate the universe in only 3 dimensions?

[–] Poem_for_your_sprog 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Swarms of von Neumann probes traveling at 0.1c would cover the galaxy in a very short timeframe...in galactic terms.

It also makes zero sense to test craft in a navy training range.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

What would the point of that be? Just because something is possible doesn't mean it'll be done.

And do probes flying around in navy training ranges make sense? If they wanted to be visible they would be. If they wanted to hide there wouldn't be footage of them.

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[–] HardlightCereal 13 points 1 year ago (9 children)

there is a zero chance we've made contact with non Earth life

Yeah! Because heavier than air flight is impossible, and there's no way aliens could hold enough helium to fly to another planet!

(Our ideas about what is possible change as our technology advances)

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

People tend to misapply this argument frequently. It is definitely a bit excessive to say there is zero chance, but still.

It's less about what is possible, and more about what is likely. Our understanding of physics (and by extension, reality) is extremely advanced. There isn't much that is going to surprise us going forward. Even relativity and quantum theory didn't make Newtonian mechanics obsolete, they simply covered the fringe cases.

I just hate when people imply that we might suddenly learn that we were completely wrong about everything. It's dismissive of the scientists who have given their lives to bring humanity to this level of understanding the universe.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I think when people imply we might suddenly learn that we were completely wrong about everything they are actually talking about how fast science seems to evolve these days, at the very least the public's understanding of science.

I have coworkers with who i can talk about 3+ dimensions, quantum mechanics, time travel, uap and while none of us are experts in any of those fields it no longer feels like we should be wearing a tinfoil hat simply for being fascinated by such topics because we now understand these are real (nuanced) scientific topics and not "something from the movies".

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's okay to be 'wrong' in science within the observable world, much of Newton's theories were rendered nearly obsolete by Einstein, but Newtonian physics was "good enough" until technology improved, and was "good enough" for most of his generation and later:

"While general relativity has been more precise, Newtonian gravity is still incredibly accurate and can be used for simpler situations. General relativity uses complex calculus that makes it difficult to compute. But Einstein has opened up the world to more complex physics, like black holes and gravitational waves that continue to develop our understanding of the universe. " https://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/educators/programs/cosmictimes/educators/workshops/docs/InquiringIntoNatureUniverse/Newton_Einstein_FactCards.pdf

Epistemology allows for us to work within the framework of knowledge we currently have until something better is proven to be the case.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The government has a direct benefit in claiming aliens or UFOs when testing their super military tech so our enemies are mislead on our militaries capabilities.

They technically are UFOs. They are objects, they fly, and they are unidentified.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're not really unidentified. Someone knows what they are, just not us.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

That logic would apply to alien spaceships too though

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I still vote we are some sort of experiment for aliens to observe, and have been under the microscope as they watched us evolve from primal creatures to the death of the world as we advance with our destructive technologies.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

One thing that doesn't sit right with me is the fact that galaxies cluster together in similar ways that neurons do. Reminds me of how individual ants are just one cog in a collective hivemind. We're all just ants doing our part to power a giant alien's brain.

At least that's the answer to life, the universe, and everything that I'm going with. It also explains multiverses. Multiple aliens, all living in their own society. Maybe their universe is the same. Just brains inside of brains inside of brains. Who knows how deep it goes.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Personally my money's on we're one of the first, or our solar system is the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone of the galaxy and anybody who gets too close melts.

[–] MaxVoltage 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

bruh you can use an old DishNetwork and a cyberdeck to download those satellites images directly from the comfort of your home. also wierd satellite stationz

secrecy by obscurity of knowledge i believe it is called

[–] astropenguin5 26 points 1 year ago

From classified spy satellites? No shot. Unclassified stuff maybe, or civilian satellites. But anything military and/or classified is going to be encrypted, so unless you know the key you may be able to intercept the data but not make an image.

[–] loklan 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah, you can get images from weather satellites this way, they broadcast unencrypted/with old encryption that has been broken.

Ain't nobody getting a feed from a modern GIS sat, let alone an actual spy sat.

[–] Saracha 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Do you have any links for this? That sounds fascinating but my Google fu is failing me right now.

[–] loklan 4 points 1 year ago

Check out r/amateursatellites/ on reddit (sorry, I'm a refugee and unaware if similar exists in the fediverse yet), there are whole communities of people out there who listen to weather sats with antennas in their backyards, it's fascinating.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I still believe that the image being posted was 100% planned by the powers to be to show we have the ability to do it.

[–] LeadSoldier 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In the intelligence field this is known as a bad move.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

In the intelligence field the game is usually about obfuscation and distraction.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Ghostalmedia 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

She’s wearing the cat from the original meme.

[–] MaxVoltage 7 points 1 year ago

Kamala energy ⚡

[–] RushingSquirrel 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's a few references I've seen regarding aliens today. I'm feeling out of the loop, would anyone explain?

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (3 children)

A former intel officer testified to a house committee that the US has had a UFO retrieval program for years, and that we've recovered non-human "biologics" from the crash sites. He has no direct knowledge of anything, by his own admission, but he's willing to provide more detail to congress in a secure facility.

I'll keep the possibility open, I guess, but it sounds like absolute bullshit for a variety of reasons.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Those aliens must be really shit pilots if they keep crashing on Earth

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Imagine developing interstellar travel and not taking the time to teach you guys how to drive.

[–] Wilziac 3 points 1 year ago

I like the theory that all of the crashed alien ships are from the aliens "B-Team" and the reason they keep crashing is because the actual good pilots are off doing actually important things and the ones we see are just bad at their jobs.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Alien drunk drivers 👽🍺

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Like that dog the Russians sent up? That would be nonhuman.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Hitting a pasture and landing in cow shit would account for "non-human biologics." I'm incredibly skeptical.

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[–] docmark 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The U.S. recently passed a law requiring the government to start disclosing all known(lol) information on UFOs/UAPs. The first congressional hearing was yesterday but was basically a verbal redacted/censored CIA document from the 60s.

About half of what was asked was responded with "I can't say in public."

[–] Offlein 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

passed a law

Are you sure?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

The Shitpisser, the Pride of the fleet!

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