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[–] Telodzrum 40 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The heel turn matches the era the show ran in. S1 filmed before 9/11 and the story for S2 was already written, too. The whole country took this exact turn.

[–] FlyingSquid 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

And IMO, they couldn't have done a "9/11 tribute season" (since that's essentially what it was) more clumsily. Some individually good episodes, but it really had a right wing "Global War on Terror is justified" slant that Star Trek shouldn't have had despite where the country was going.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Two words: Manny Coto

Edit: Was researching something else and came across this article and interview with John Billingsly which is pretty appropriate for this thread. Also, I'd never read that, or any interview with him before, but Billingsly sounds like a great guy.

[–] FlyingSquid 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You would think so, but he was only showrunner on Season 4. He only wrote some episodes for season 3. He is right-wing though. He made a terrible show for Fox that tried to be a right-wing Daily show and was just miserably unfunny even by their standards.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I knew he came on in S3 but I thought he wrote more than few episodes in that one (IMDB only lists 5 which is way less than I thought). Coincidentally, the episode I'm watching now, "Chosen Realm" was one he wrote. It's....not subtle lol.

[–] FlyingSquid 4 points 2 weeks ago

What's weird is when he became showrunner and it was just one long TOS tribute, he was much more open to traditional Star Trek stories.

He also made Odyssey 5, which is my pick for best one season wonder Sci-Fi show of the past 20 years. A truly intelligently-written show.

So I can't hate on him too much apart from him being some sort of fascist scumbag. He made some decent sci-fi.

[–] electric 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Keep in mind, the Federation didn't even exist yet. Humans underwent their prosperous unification but after experiencing their first attack from an alien power (ignoring the Borg here), they went back to their aggressive ways. The "War on Terror" here was ultimately a bad thing for everyone, so Archer decided to bet on peace rather than continue it.

The show isn't as progressive as other Star Trek shows but it has it's reasons for it. We see them trying to be better.

[–] FlyingSquid 3 points 2 weeks ago

I'm afraid the reason for it is because the country was going hard right at the time and the show went with it. You can come up with in-universe explanations, but that's the reason.

[–] aeronmelon 11 points 2 weeks ago

It was obvious from episode 1. Me and friend just looked at each other and said “it’s the terrorism arc.”

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] aeronmelon 15 points 2 weeks ago

”You see I’ve been through this sector on a ship with no name,
it felt good to get out of comm range.
In the Expanse… you can’t remember your name,
cause there ain’t nobody for your crimes you can blame.”

”Ba baa ba babababa ba bababa ku la…”

[–] thenextguy 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I agree...the change in the theme music in season 3 caused a lot of damage.

[–] EmpathicVagrant 10 points 2 weeks ago

That’s what caused archer to harden so much, he had the same heartsong but it was too late.

[–] bappity 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

With just a little dash of Janeway too.