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[–] [email protected] 1 points 47 minutes ago* (last edited 45 minutes ago)

Is anyone talking about the fact that it's the predatory, short-term-quarterly-gains oriented behavior of the platforms themselves which is in fact rampaging though democracies, massively affecting and survielling Adult's behaviors on a loop of ragebait-induced dopamine/seratonin manipulation?

Because Kids are going to connect with one another, on whichever the next platform is that's not banned. What's more, the institutions they attend will inevitably ask them to do so as...things like Youtube arent exactly 100% avoidable.

Pretty pathetic to clamp down on Youth Liberty in a society that has basically none, when centrally-hosted platforms owned by corporate behemoths are all-but-physically trampling the landscape like some kind of fucked up gentrification-glorifying-voiceline-repeating Megazord

[–] surph_ninja 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I feel like every law I see coming out of Australia is just telling their citizens they’re not allowed to do something else mundane. All while the government services get worse, and the corrupt become more entrenched.

What a shithole.

[–] auzy 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Like what?

Often the things that seem mundane actually aren't

Like vaping is just tobacco 2.0.. and we don't need everyone to have easy access to guns (especially not kids). Networks like Facebook are so unmoderated at the moment they should be held to account.

Asbestos and engineered stone? Enough said

And that's mainly everything I can think of that's banned that I can think of...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 minutes ago* (last edited 15 minutes ago)

Like vaping is just tobacco 2.0

What is this, govern me like a strict old nan?

Is dancing allowed down there as well or is it a gateway to thievery or something?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

What they consider as "social media"? Is it every site where you can communicate with others?

This seems fucked if its so.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

While specific platforms haven’t been named in the law, the rules are expected to apply to the likes of Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, and TikTok, per the Prime Minister. Sites used for education, including YouTube, would be exempt, as are messaging apps like WhatsApp.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 39 minutes ago

Youtube: offers Shorts and aggressively markets them at any demo that responds well to Tik Tok, competing for a more toxic comments section with years of experience.

WhatsApp: all the group chats and online bullying that you banned facebook to get away from, 1:1, day of the ban.

Should we identify society root causes and address those? 🤔No. No, it's the kids who are wrong /s

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

This is technically feasible, and bussiness don't need to know your id. If anonymous government certificates are issued.

But I'm morally against it. We need to both educate on the dangers of internet and truly control harmful platforms.

But just locking it is bad for ociety. What happens with kids in shitty families that find in social media (not Facebook, think prime time Tumblr) a way to scape and find that there are people out there not as shitty as their family. Now they are just completely locked to their shitty family until it's too late.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago

I think that the chances of a kid from a broken home finding an exploiter online is much more likely than that kid finding a helpful, supportive community.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 hours ago

I've said this before, and I'll keep saying it, we need better terms than "social media." Tumblr, Reddit, and Lemmy I don't think should be in the same group as Facebook, Twitter, etc. Social media that uses your real life information should be separate from basically forums that use an online persona.

I don't know what this legislation says, but I agree with you. It should be limited to restricting the "personal social media," not glorified internet forums.

[–] AllToRuleThemOne 14 points 10 hours ago

Pssst! Hey kid, wanna buy some memes?

[–] drmoose 16 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

The fact that people even considered this with a straight face, discussed it and passed it is just indicative how tech illiterate we've become.

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[–] Dasus 6 points 9 hours ago

Well that's not going to work out.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

The second i have to hand over my id to a tech company is the second i leave and never come back.

Also how they gonna manage the fediverse? Can someone get fined for providing social media to themselves if an under 16 sets up their own federated instance?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

In my country they talked about this. And they thought of a different approach.

The government were to emit anonymous digital certificates after validate your identity. And then the websites were only required to validate these anonymous digital certificates.

Or even it was talk that the government could put a certificate validation in front of the affected ip.

So the bussiness won't have your ip. Only a verification by the government that you are indeed over certain age.

[–] BMTea 27 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

I support this move. Some here are delusionally arguing that this impacts privacy - the sort of data social media firms collect on teenagers is egregiously extensive regardless. This is good support for their mental health and development.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 59 minutes ago (1 children)

This is good support for their mental health and development.

This is good pseudo-science.

[–] BMTea 1 points 50 minutes ago

There is no published science definitively proving that it is harmful or helpful. The effects of this particular legislation, if it is impactful at all, remains to be seen. I'm just offering my opinion based on my personal experiences. I expect it to have some success in reducing acute adolescent mental health issues. If the matter is ever settled through consensus, I'll defer to that.

[–] General_Effort 1 points 2 hours ago

Strange that the adults don't want those benefits for themselves also.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

This ban does nothing.

Anything that does not force ID verification is useless.

Anything that does verify ID would mean that adults also have to upload their IDs to the website.

What will happen is either this becomes another toothless joke. Or the government say "okay this isn't working, lets implement ID checks", and when that law passes Lemmy Instance Admins would be required to verify ID of any user from an Australia IP.

Y'all want that to happen?

So what hapoens if other countries start catching on and also pass such law?

Eventually the all internet accounts would be tied to IDs. Anonymity is dead.

[–] PieMePlenty 10 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Government provided open id service which guarantees age. Website gets trusted authority signed token witch contains just the age. We can do this safely. We have the technology. They could even do it only once on registration.

Digital id's exist already in the EU, and many countries run a sign on service already. We aren't far from this.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

This ban is a wake up call to Tech Industry to implement and enforce rules against hate speech, grooming, fake news, etc. They surely cannot verify the age of a human without any official ID made in the real world. This leads to other problems but that's not the concern of the government! Social Media wants it's users, not the government.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

performative nonsense which does nothing for kids or their mental health and harms queer kids who lose one of the first places they can find community.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Then it seems there is something other to fix in society than making sure facebook knows anything about that kid.

The Zuckerbergers of the world aren't the ones to trust with that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 57 minutes ago* (last edited 57 minutes ago)

Then it seems there is something other to fix in society

Yeah that's why we're on Lemmy. It's not perfect but it's better than zuck, elmo, spez, and pals.

No need for the state to attack kids.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

This is just abstinence education all over again

[–] Agent641 10 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

I always wear a condom when I log into Facebook, so I should be safe

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

Now ban parents posting pictures of their children under 16.

I DGAF about your kids.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I DGAF about your kids.

Preach!

One of the craziest wtf moment of my life resulted from an oversharing parent.

At a hot summer day a few years back someone posted a picture of them barbequing in their backyard to our company's "off topic" teams chat. Nothing unusual. I was over at a friends place so I send back a picture of us sitting in lawnchairs having a beer. In comes the third colleague, first time father with a roughly 1.5 year old at the time. So he posts a picture of his kid running around in his backyard. Completly naked, full frontanl nudity.

It took me a minute to recollect and I messaged him to please take down the picture. I know he didn't mean any harm and was just sharing his hot-summer-weekend expirence ... and he did realise his blunder and took it down. But wtf mate?

After that I immediately googled how to clear my teams' app image cache ...

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

The ban and age verification requirements apply to pretty much all services which allow communication of information between people, unless an exemption is granted by the minister.

There is no legislated exemption for instant messaging, SMS, email, email lists, chat rooms, forums, blogs, voice calls, etc.

It's a wildly broadly applicable piece of legislation that seems ripe to be abused in the future, just like we've seen with anti-terror and anti-hate-symbol legislation.

From 63C (1) of the legislation:

For the purposes of this Act, age-restricted social media platform means:

  • a) an electronic service that satisfies the following conditions:
    • i) the sole purpose, or a significant purpose, of the service is to enable online social interaction between 2 or more end-users;
    • ii) the service allows end-users to link to, or interact with, some or all of the other end-users;
    • iii) the service allows end-users to post material on the service;
    • iv) such other conditions (if any) as are set out in the legislative rules; or
  • b) an electronic service specified in the legislative rules; but does not include a service mentioned in subsection (6).

Here's all the detail of what the bill is and the concerns raised in parliament.

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