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Yeah, no.
People use astrology to make actual life decisions and then call it fun
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Yeah, no.
People use astrology to make actual life decisions and then call it fun
Astrology is just temporal racism.
This is the best thing I've ever read
That comic feels very strawman-y
Rage bait
Generational divides are at least based in broadly shared material conditions, and while they shouldn't be used to make assumptions about individuals, they can be used to draw conclusions about large populations as a whole. Astrology simply has no basis whatsoever for anything.
Yep. When comparing differences between generations you'll find them but if you compare the differences between groups with different horoscopes, you likely wont find much.
Generational divides are at least based in broadly shared material conditions
material conditions are not the primary factor, imho.
your shared experience and life expectations differ wildly, depending on whether you saw the berlin wall or the twins going down in your formative years.
Also Gen-Z typically refers to people born during a particular political/economic climate. Gen-Z in America is definitely not the same as Gen-Z in Russia or China.
Yeah. Look, it's a dick move to roll your eyes at gen-whatever but there are solid reasons that things are different. Foremost being that generations dictate the age of a person so you could say "those 18-30 year olds don't know shit about how hard we had it when dinosaurs wrecked homes and ate our children." I mean, being raised during different technological eras alone can change a lot. There is a clear difference. There might be something to astrology too but we don't have very good evidence of that.
While the gen-z comment is unwarranted, I have to side with the frog on this one (and not just because of my username), even if he's being contrarian just to feel superior.
'Harmless' things like astrology and other types of magical thinking can become a larger problem if your society has a failing, inadequate or inaccessible education system. Without adequate education of critical thinking, they're taken more and more seriously by wider swaths of society, which can foster mistrust in the scientific method, sometimes leading to deeply unhealthy outcomes, such as using crystals and other alternative 'medicines' for ailments instead of using scientifically backed methods.
It can also lead to increased susceptibility to manipulation via conspiracies and misinformation that confirms the mystical thinking.
Carl Sagan gets to the heart of the problem in his book, A Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle In The Dark:
“Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children’s or grandchildren’s time—when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what’s true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.”
I think there's another thing to pick here too. Horoscope makes some assumptions based on which time of a year you have been born. This obviously has very little effect on your life.
However the generation you've been born in has a massive effect on you. Each generation grows up with other kids from that generation, they learn from each other often more than from the older gen. This sorta creates a cultural gap between the generations, or generational gap as it's called.
So when your mom says she was a hippie and got conservative along the years, it's fair to call her a typical boomer
In absolute terms, Boomers didn't get more conservative as they aged, they got more liberal. Just at a much slower rate than the younger generations.
You're probably right
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The only people I know who believe in astrology aren’t gen-z
I think the context matters. Just reading the paper and ask someone what their sign is so you can laugh at the horoscope section? Not really a huge deal. First date and using it as an ice breaker to get someone to talk about themselves? Mayyyyybe. Treating it with any actual level of seriousness is definitely a danger zone.
Agree 100%
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Robert Anton Wilson would vehemently disagree with you and Sagan here. I’m not saying who’s right but I think criticizing a reality tunnel like astrology is a waste of time when there are drastically worse ‘slippery slopes’ in existence
I'm sure Mr. Wilson would indeed. I was not familiar with him until your mention, and upon researching him briefly, I would hedge that Sagan (and certainly myself) would disagree with him as well.
Firstly, I would ask how, or rather who, determines what misinformation is worth advising against and what isn't? The relative harm of astrology is indeed low compared to say, Capitalism, but then again, the effort to write my initial comment was also low. I don't expect it to do much, but on the off chance it steers someone away from magical thinking, it was worth writing.
As to why I would disagree with Wilson: I could never subscribe to his concept of trying to get people to become 'agnostic about everything' because the minute you take a hard stand on a single thing, you discover that to be agnostic about everything is just harmful. I think it's good to be open-minded, and I'm not one of the dogmatic religious-level scientific fanatic he describes who blindly follow the AMA or any other scientific institution that insists they have everything figured out and demands you not question the sacred gospels, but his method seems like the ultimate cop-out: "We can't truly know anything with certainty, so it's all possibly right, just with different probabilities!"
I don't buy into that one bit, because otherwise one could use such a worldview to justify saying "Hmm... I guess maybe eugenics could be right? I'll give it a low probability, but can't be too sure!"
It also could be used to justify belief in Scientology, literally any debunked scientific theory, climate change denial, radical religions, etc.
I think it far healthier to have an open-mind to new concepts that can be proven good, and to have an active and healthy skepticism for anything that makes claims without evidence. But that's just my 2 cents.
I should mention that I don't mean to strawman your argument, as you didn't mention Wilson's 'agnostic' concept, but that seems to be at the heart of this philosophy, and why he prescribed to mysticism and would likely find astrology harmless.
Frankly the amount of people in my country that make decisions based on astrologers' advice is staggering. If people just did it for fun maybe I would think it's okay but they actually pay scammers and make assumptions about people just from their sign, which is actual stereotyping in contrast to what is shown in the comic
Astrology has one valid use.
If you're a Virgo, it means your parents had Christmas sex
Could've been New Years sex too tho
Could've been mid March as well
could've been adopted
"general era of one's birth" has a lot more impact on well... everything... About a person's life Way more than "time of year"
You are way more likely to be similar to the people born in the 5-10 years around you than to people born 50 years prior but in the same month.
But hey, as long as it's just for fun and you aren't basing major life altering decisions on things.... Why would I care if you like giggling at the little blurbs in newspapers about how ridiculous capricorns are when mars is in retrograde.
Why would I care
because then you have to ask what other stuff they do regardless of accepted facts and science. do they cast votes "for fun" too?
This joke doesn't work.
Generalizing about a person based on planetary alignments puts the scale so large that it's pointless to attempt to attribute a personality to it.
However, generalizing about a person based on when they were born attributes things like culture, world events, etc. A really good example of this are children who grew up through the Great Depression were, on record, hoarders of food. The trauma they suffered provided a collective cultural event that could be identified by others that did not live through it.
I knew a girl, whose mother sold off her house because a mystic/fortune teller/crystal fellator/astrologist told her to.
Now, whether she just inferred this on her own, or the scam artist explicitly suggested it, the outcome was the same.
Making real life decisions based off a set of tarot cards is not wise.
Everyone is stupid
Your cohort when you grow up can predict your development because people of a particular generation share a great multitude of environmental factors.
Edit: this does not mean we should foster intergenerational conflict.
Imagine if particle physics got popularized for 10 centuries.
I believe that there are these tiny people called Quarks and they like to spin and have charming personalities
Astrology and religion seems like that. Something that once made sense and then got sorta socially digested.
10 centuries? It's way faster than that.
Have you seen all the "quantum" rebranding in today's pseudoscientific bullshit? You know the type, the assholes selling you magic baubles to rebalance your "energy levels", "detox" yourself etc.
The problem with astrology is that the position of stars 100’s/1000’s of lightyears away could have a significant and predictable impact on someone’s entire life and somehow those exact same stars predicted the every single person who has ever or will ever be born on those days, not the time someone is born, those are two very different things.
I mean, their distance away from us doesn’t matter cause the speed of causality is the speed of light, so all the stars might as well be all the same distance… or some shit. I don’t know, I’m just winging it the as astrologists do
That frog is obviously a Capricorn.