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[–] DaddleDew 82 points 3 months ago (2 children)

If by "value" you mean income it isn't even tied to individual productivity. It's tied to how much power or leverage you have to demand more.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes 5 points 3 months ago

The only way to make money is to convince people to give you money. If you wanna do it by acting like it's because of some skill you have, that can work.

[–] ripcord 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

In theory it's both. But mostly the leverage one.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Producing value gives leverage. A salesman who brings in lots of revenue and profit can negotiate a pretty high commission, because controlling that level of revenue/profit represents some leverage.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Kindly reminds me how much value a salesman produce?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

To the person he exercises leverage over, who makes money on each sale made, and pays his wages/commissions? Isn't that obvious? He agrees to sell some stuff, in exchange for money that comes from the sale.

[–] DarkCloud 43 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Imagine a society where those setting the regulations are wealthy in such a way that they face no money related consequences. If they stuff up, or get into a tight spot with money, they'll be a subsidy, or bailout, or sweet deal with a bank loan, or a wealthy relative, or they sell a property or a stock holding, or a mega yatch, or they'll just declare that shell company bankrupt. They'll never have a monetary problem that can't be immediately resolved.

...this class of people - those with essentially no financial consequences in life, are expected to make empathetic and caring laws, systems, and regulations for the rest of us, for whom money is behind literally everything consequential. For whom a small or temporary lack of money drastically changes us and our quality of life immediately and often with no real resolution.

We have all the consequences they do not, they have all the power we do not. Nothing about this system makes sense, and it's enough to say we live in a kind of Capitalist Monarchy, posing as a democracy of, by, and for the people.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (4 children)
[–] DarkCloud 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Here's a whole video about why that doesn't work:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs&list=PLrttDbiWQ1XO1iHAszAsPobYSoR0uQg_1&pp=iAQB

Basically all governments are required to keep certain groups happy to even consider getting into power, and some of that involves.... Certain kinds of payoffs and deals being made.

You can only vote for people who have already acquised to the system in order to get on the ballot.

You can vote for people who promise some slightly more progressive version of the status quo, but that's as radical as the system is allowed to get by design.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Videos like these are meant to keep you down, or in your couch

You can get on a ballot. You just need enough people to support you

Not voting or voting against those who would change the system is what keeps these dorks in power

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod 5 points 3 months ago

You just need enough people to support you

I don't like people enough to want that

[–] GladiusB 0 points 3 months ago

Did no one watch Game of Thrones and wonder "why is named that?"

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Voting alone is insufficient, because in captive systems where a limited number of parties hold all political capital, you can only vote for complicit parties.

Individual people have to run for office, and there has to be movements to get them elected, and those movements need to be more powerful than the existing parties who will attempt to suppress them.

Honestly, at the level of organization that would be required, you'd probably just be better off ignoring the democratic process entirely, because it would take tens of millions.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

It does take tens of millions, that's the point

I'm not saying you should only vote, but rioting while letting your opposition win every election sure isn't going to work

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Maybe support causes that oppose it?

Think about all the money we funnel to twitch streamers and other influencers.

I remember back in like 2010s people trying to crowd source their election and it just falls flat.

Then you hear about pewdiepie buying his own private island or some shit and it's dumb founding.

It's so gross when I spit piss at the DNC I get heckled to hell but if we took the time dismantle that machine we could effectively build something that easily out preforms it.

[–] ebolapie 7 points 3 months ago

Voting is the least we can do besides doing nothing. Which makes it pretty disappointing that so many people will be all like "oh voting doesn't do anything, we should tear down the government instead" and then they proceed to do neither of those things.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It's a machine right...?

What if I got a really big wrench to throw into it? 🤔

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Metaphorical problems require metaphorical solutions.

[–] lugal 8 points 3 months ago

Sure, we are talking purely metaphysically here. No worries

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

The trouble is, many people are in the machine and get crushed when the wrench breaks the machinery.

And that's not even a joke. Helping people in this situation, without harming other innocent people, is possible - but it's hard work!

[–] samus12345 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] hakunawazo 9 points 3 months ago

Ones value is not exclusively tied to productivity

Just living the dream...

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie 4 points 3 months ago

Is this comic about me everytime I so much as mention the word "strike"?

[–] lugal 3 points 3 months ago
[–] blazeknave 2 points 3 months ago

How are other parents balancing honest education with the reality of this comic?

[–] model_tar_gz 2 points 3 months ago

You can do anything at zombo.com. Anything at all. The only limit is yourself.

The infinite is possible at zombo.com.

The unattainable is unknown, at zombo.com.

[–] manmachine 1 points 3 months ago

..and the machine is bleeding to death..

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Breeders: I don't want to be alone in the soul-crushing machine. Let me add another soul to it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I think of the hubris it must take to yank a soul out of nonexistence into this meat and force a life into this thresher.

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[–] LovableSidekick 0 points 3 months ago

To do anything the first step is go to zombo.com

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