Russia warns Ukraine’s ATACMS attacks mark ‘new phase’ of war, lowers threshold for using nuclear weapons : worldnews

[–] MushuChupacabra 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Bark bark bark

[–] vzq 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

“Spokesperson, issue more empty threats! Surely this time they will finally take me seriously!”

[+] [email protected] -12 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Almost 25 years of that attitude from the US is how this war started in the first place[1], and now hundreds of thousands are dead or injured and millions are displaced.

[–] MushuChupacabra 19 points 2 months ago

You will find that the actual cause for the dead, injured, and displaced, is that Russia invaded Ukraine.

The simplest fix would be for the Russians to go home.

The more permanent fix would be for the Russians to go home, and have Vladimir Putin accidentally fall out of a window very high up. That would be reasonable, given how many men he basically threw into a meat grinder.

[–] vzq 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Every recrimination has an equal and opposite recrimination. In the end, we are where we are and every country chooses how to play their own hand by themselves.

Russian leadership knew what they were doing when they attacked a foreign sovereign country in an act overt aggression.

I’m sure there are plenty of rationalizations they tell themselves, but it’s not the US that “started this” in any meaningful way.

[–] Hemuphone 3 points 2 months ago

The war started because of Russia. It's insane to state otherwise.

[–] ThePyroPython 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Completely unrelated question: how hard does one have to rattle a sabre before it snaps the blade?

[–] CheeseNoodle 4 points 2 months ago

So I commented this before, Russia spends the same amount on its nuclear arsenal as the UK, while claiming a far larger arsenal. Even accounting for differences in currency value (so cheaper labour) and assuming Russia has some magical efficiency gains in maintenance its still not enough to even come close to maintaining an arsenal that size. Nukes need the fissile material swapped out every couple of decades or they're just really expensive dirty bombs.

This puts Russia in the position where if they launch a single nuke as a warning there's a genuine chance that it might just fizzle, if that happens it would be crippling to their apperance as a nuclear armed state on the world stage, the embarassment of crossing the ultimate red line with nothing to show for it.

So i guess the answer is the sabre is pretty rusty and it might not snap when rattled but there is a chance it snaps when Putin goes in for a real stab.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

~~China's~~ Russia's Final Warning

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If all you had were regular warheads I'd be cheering on Americans playing chicken to their fucking grave but nuclear war would kill me too, get the fuck outta here with that.

At this point, death to America isn't a radical slogan, it's in self defense.

[–] ManixT 2 points 2 months ago

Cool how you completely ignore the country threatening the world with the very nuclear weapons you're afraid of. They get a free pass?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Nothing ever happens.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

[–] LANIK2000 2 points 2 months ago

Honestly I just find it laughable. 1, because there are more nuclear red lines behinds us than I care to count. And 2, if the last Russian missile test is anything to go by, I'm more worried about a giant chain reaction blowing up all of Russia.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

In a parallel universe, I would like to witness an official sarcastic response.

'U.S. eager to witness Russia's awesome destructive power in person after Oppenhiemer success. Government announces free UV glasses for safe viewing. Populace hopeful for a swift end to capitalism after nuclear winter'

[–] vzq -3 points 2 months ago

Russia: if NOTICE ME SENPAI was a country.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

OH WE'RE SO SCAREEEED

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wish they invented a nuclear weapon that only worked on the dumb mfs who think playing chicken with nuclear weapons is so cool.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I highly doubt Russia has any functioning nukes anyway. Even if they did, there's no way they'd use them. You keep your fearmongering elsewhere

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

The country with the highest stockpile of nuclear weapons, with battle tested capabilities and the most advanced ICBMs in existence, you doubt they have nukes?

There's drinking the Kool aid and there's this. I'm legitimately amazed that some of you Americans can mouthbreathe and walk at the same time, and more amazed that half the voting population is even dumber than that.

If this stupid provocation only ended up with America in ashes you'd more than have it coming, but unfortunately we share a world and I'd like to keep living in it, not that y'all made it any better due to your absolute nonchalance about climate change.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Hey I have a question, what does Putin's ass taste like?

[+] [email protected] -8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Welp there goes my fucking sleep for tonight. I wish Washington and Langley alone would somehow disappear off the face of the earth and solve half the problems in the world overnight.

Why the fuck does the rest of the world have to risk a nuclear extinction (and a climate one, honestly) just because the US are too fucking stupid and greedy to let go of a single cent in the world.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

This instance is hilarious.

Russia makes threats with nukes, because a country they attacked dares to defend itself

lemmy.ml: Why would the US do this?

The notion that Russia doesn't need to invade or make nuclear threats is completely unthinkable around these parts.

If you just analyze the 1000 most recent posts on the local worldnews, it's pretty openly a propaganda channel.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Fuck off, Americans might not have a working memory longer than the last headline, but I remember the US proudly supporting the maidan coup with congresspeople on the ground, and I remember the US sending billions in weapons, blocking peace talks that a majority of Ukrainians want (because it wOulD bE a cOnCesSiOn) and Biden authorizing the use of NATO weaponry and guidance systems, any of which could reasonably carry a nuclear warhead. Let's not foeget the US is the only country to ever use them on people.

I've been told for a year that the traditional military operation Russia willingly engaged in was a colossal failure and Russia was bound to fall down at the slightest wind, on other threads you stupid gringos are going"lol he won't do it let's keep poking" and then you come on other threads to pretend history starts at the reply and not the provocation.

The rest of the world no longer buys the concern trolling from clueless (or outright malicious) gringos.

The US has done what it's done for over a century, sabotage, start proxy wars and undermine democracy and when a country replies dumbass fucking libs will start crying about how that country is just being super aggressive for, like, just no reason 😢.

[–] ManixT 2 points 2 months ago

I know, right? Why didn't the rest of the world let Nazi Germany get what it wanted too.

Russians are the only ones to blame and downtown Moscow deserves a nuke if Russia escalates even further.

[–] Hemuphone 1 points 2 months ago

Why do you give Russia a free pass here? They are the ones threatening to use nuclear weapons. But somehow Washington is the bad guys. What a fucked up take.

[+] [email protected] -9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Biden using his last few months to start ww3

[–] vzq 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

If Russia starts nuking shit, wouldn’t Russia be starting ww3?

Or are we supposed to just accept the implication that only western countries have agency?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

I doubt Russia will actually use nukes, what with MAD and all.

Then again, people said the same thing about the invasion. Russia doesn't have a no-first-use nuclear weapons policy like the USSR did, so they could use them if they deem the country to be under existential threat.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This is clearly a response to the US allowing strikes inside Russia.

Interesting timing to do that when Ukraine, Germany and Russia have been gearing up to negotiate an end to the war next year. Wonder if this is to give the west more leverage in the negotiations or to escalate to give the republican admin next year a tougher time.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

So you're saying Russia has never struck inside Ukraine. Or somehow The US started the war in Ukraine.

Or is it just a freaking stupid idea that one nation can attack another. And expect them not to retaliate.

[–] vzq 2 points 2 months ago

Interesting timing to do that when Ukraine, Germany and Russia have been gearing up to negotiate an end to the war next year

Threatening nuclear war under these circumstances is definitely an interesting timing.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The favorite weapon of the westoid, acting like the biggest imbecile in the world and claiming history starts not when they choke you, but when you break their wrist so you can breathe.

[–] vzq 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Let’s take this metaphor at face value for a second.

What in the endless litany of grievances you call history could possibly justify pressing the launch button at this particular junction in time?

I’m serious, make the best possible case you can for Russia starting a nuclear war right now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

That the US is letting Ukraine use NATO missiles and guidance systems that could carry a nuclear warhead they've ALWAYS kept a doctrine of first use for. This new doctrine is still not as aggressive as the American one, and this was the entire reason for the conflict, NATO not pointing nuclear weapons at Russia minutes from Moscow. This latest attack was aiming for nuclear infrastructure. How much more provocative does it get?

Americans really need to shut the fuck up about Russia starting a nuclear war when they're the ones instigating and funding conflict and blocking the peace talks Ukrainians want. When Iran gets tired of Israel and the US endlessly massacring civilians over there you chicken hawk libs are gonna pretend they developed nuclear weapons just to be mean.

You really really care about the Ukraine war? Get shipped there so they don't have to kidnap citizens out of weddings to put them on the front line. Otherwise, shut up and stop trying to kill the rest of us with you.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Russia is the victim in this situation, actually. Don't you all get it? >:c

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