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[–] Humana 53 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

In my country you can submit a photo of this to the local police with a statement swearing it's a true photo, then your name and tax ID number. Then in 6-9 months the vehicle owner will receive a citation and fee in the mail.

It's fun because you have a serial offender who thinks they are getting away with it like this, but in 6-9 months they will get the first few and correct their behavior but continue to receive the citations. Then they will finally look at the dates of the offense on the citation and realize they have thousands of euros in fees still coming for months of shitty behavior.

[–] Katana314 22 points 1 month ago

Oh, man. We want immediate justice so often, but I almost think the delay is the best part of that.

Still means 6 months of cyclist frustration though…

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's the dream. Where do you live?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Well, would be better if you could submit it anonymously.

we need an (optional) open source app for that where you just open the app and take a picture (with license plate visible) and click "submit". It submits the time, location, and photo. If it takes more than 30 seconds to report this, they failed.

[–] Humana 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

People here have developed an app that makes it that easy to submit (the app essentially composes the email for you). However, without your full name and tax ID number nothing will happen from the police. As has been pointed out, the system is open to abuse if it became anonymous.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I have to deal with similar issues in my neighbourhood; any service vehicle will have to block the bike lane because that houses driveway is already full of vehicle.

[–] grue 84 points 1 month ago (28 children)

Service vehicle never "have" to block the bike lane. They could simply block the general purpose lane instead.

In other words, they are making a deliberate choice to fuck cyclists' safety in order to prioritize convenience for car drivers.

[–] HappycamperNZ 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I think you're attributing malice to laziness.

I cant think of a single courier or delivery driver that would actively think "let me take an extra 20 seconds to reverse into this driveway just to fuck with bikes". They just want to get it done and get to the next

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I think the word "deliberate" might be a little strong, because it's not one person's choice alone. It probably is laziness, but the way the road is made makes the lazy choice the one that screws over everyone else to prioritise cars. They could leave the van in the middle of the road, but drivers would get angry, so they make a subconscious choice.

Cars are large, cumbersome, dangerous objects with horns on them, and the road's design centers them. If you park in the middle of the road, cars are so space-inefficient that you cause a traffic jam and people get upset and honk, but nobody's in much more danger. If you block a pathway for pedestrians and cyclists, they can get around, but it's much more dangerous, especially for children and the disabled, but most of the time the delivery driver isn't forced to deal with that fact. Those people are much less visible.

So the result is that the mode of transport which causes the most problems for the people around it is also prioritised above all others. Decisions were made at the city planning level that put cycle paths together with cars. There are much better ways of doing things, for instance separate paths, with bollards so cars can't just leave the road. You could make delivery vehicles smaller and lighter, with dedicated delivery bays. You could narrow roads and slow them down to disincentivise inner-city traffic, and encourage the use of bypasses, and subtly teach drivers to expect frequent stops in town.

[–] Hildegarde 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

it would be far easier to simply stop in the lane they are already in. No, they go out of their way to park in the bike lane.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

Curious how it never occurs to them to block the driving lane, or you know, park around the corner.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (4 children)

We have a suckhead that parks his delivery van on the middle of a cross over (we call it a zebra pad) everytime to deliver goods to our local flower shop. So I tell him he is unlawfully parked, he says I shouldn't worry, it is just for a minute. I tell him it takes only a second for a pedestrian to get hurt. He didn’t care the slightest bit.

[–] Krzd 19 points 1 month ago

In Germany, parents cannot be held liable if their child under 12 (or 14?) damages illegally parked cars with their bike.... Just a random fact of the day, nothing to do with your comment.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not the first time, not the last. Amazon delivery drivers are terrible in every area. Urban or rural they will find a way to block traffic, especially when there is a nearby way to not do so.

[–] cynar 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I suspect it's a selection effect. Amazon is a pain in the arse to work for. Decent drivers are in demand. This makes it easy for good drivers to jump ship to other companies. This leaves the inexperienced or just stupid drivers left to deal with the BS.

If you've not driven a van before, they are intimidating to maneuver, at first. It's takes time and skill to spin them on a dime, and slot them in, with awareness of how much space you are leaving. Novice drivers simply lack that skill.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Don't they have traffic wardens in Cambridge? They'd be fined and possibly towed as well here

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You'd think, but there are three levels of responsibility: the city council, the county council, and the local police. Calling any one of them to complain and demand enforcement results in them redirecting you to one of the others.

Basically, unless you're blocking car traffic, no one with power cares.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Just gotta wait for that cyclist that turns into the road because a car was blocking him. Then it'll be all "oh no how could this ever happen?"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

..and gets sucked under a lorry

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

The police very, very rarely do anything about this kind of thing here. It’s not just Amazon; even everyday random people just stop in the middle of the street to pick people up or drop people off.

The worst offender is Uber Eats, which regularly completely blocks up roads near restaurants.

[–] WhatYouNeed 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Plus the wardens have to watch the vehicle for 10 minutes before issuing a ticket. The driver would have completed the delivery and gone within that 10 minutes.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Why would you permit someone to park illegally for 10 minutes?!?

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[–] cynar 11 points 1 month ago

That can be both incompetent and arseholes. The 2 aren't mutually exclusive.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Delivery trucks, full stop, around here. Though some stop on the street instead, which I prefer, but car drivers usually don't.

In the end, I find it hard to be angry at overworked, underpaid people, who have to work around infrastructure that clearly hasn't been planned with their job in mind.

At least UPS is switching to large bike-like vehicles around here. Hope that trend continues.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Amazon drivers aren’t Amazon employees, and aren’t paid well enough or treated well enough to care. Don’t be angry at the drivers, be angry at Amazon.

[–] almar_quigley 33 points 1 month ago

Fuck that. This isn’t some poor customer service shit. This is being an inconsiderate asshole on public property. Yes they are treated poorly but that’s not an excuse for every behavior.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

I have enough anger for both.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Seconding this. Some of these comments are an unpleasant reminder of why the stereotype of cyclists as upper class and entitled exists.

Some blame also lies on the local government for not adding bollards or other structures to separate the bike lane from traffic. Seeing all these issues and deciding someone with shit pay and zero job security is worth getting mad at just doesn’t make sense. Go take that energy somewhere it can do something.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

By your logic the right answer is to be mad at every prime customer.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Uber Eats does this all day every day.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I suppose keying them is a criminal offence?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

These vans know every time the driver sneezes so Amazon can dock their pay for unsafe driving. These things have a million cameras inside and out.

So basically, wear a mask.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Well, given that parking in a bike lane carries a hefty fine, and that the cops don't seem to care, it's unlikely that they'd be around to notice or choose to do anything about scratched paint or a broken headlight.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

I'm just thinking from perspective of type of offence. In Canada you can park in the middle of the road and that's a non-criminal offence. You're getting a fine if someone is bothered to write you up. Purposefully keying a vehicle on the other hand is vandalism, which is a criminal offence. If you get caught, you'd get a record and potentially worse than a fine. It's a different level of punishment.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The vans are surveillance vans, you do this and amazon is definitely recording you

That having been said, I think relieving the vans of all of their tire air would not be considered permanent damage.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Oh nooo, my bike handle accidentally smashed into the van while I was avoiding the obstacle in the bike lane."

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