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[–] wpb 30 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The same way I don't think we should capitulate to framing "cracker" as a slur, or to framing "black lives matter" as a racist thing to say, I don't think we should capitulate to framing things like "from the river to the sea" or "zionist" as antisemitic.

But, as a thought experiment, let's indulge in this doublespeak trash. What is a good alternative? So far I've got:

  • Israeli colonizers
  • Jewish supremacists
  • genocidal sacks of shit
  • Israeli apartheidists
  • Isreal expansionists
  • Israeli warmongerers
  • people in favor of the genocide and apartheid committed by Israel (in full, every time you need to say zionist)
  • modern day nazis
  • zionazis (technically not zionist!)

So all of this liberal crybaby nomenclature trash aside, I actually do think "zionist" is in itself a fairly useless term for the Israeli apartheid question (as Norman Finkelstein and Judith Butler do too). While one faction of zionism pursued the nakba and massacres from fairly early on, and while this faction has been quite successful, there are other notions of zionism which do not entail murdering children or colonizing a country. When Netanyahu and Chomsky can both legitimately refer to themselves as zionists, I think it's clear that zionism is too broad a term to be useful in the current ongoing genocide and the ethnic cleansing that has been going on for the better part of a century.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I wish I could upvote this more.

Edit: a word

[–] Thteven 8 points 3 hours ago

Do a lot of slurs have a wikipedia page?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_Zionism

[–] ghurab 5 points 3 hours ago

sooo twitch declares the Zionist movement offensive? and should only discussed in sn academic sense? /s

wow twitch, very brave!!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

But Zionism isn't a religion, it's a nationalist movement.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago

Once genz matures, public opinion on Israel will shift. I hope Israel enters the "and find out" stage.

Fuck 'em, disgusting parasites leeching on US might to commit a genocide. Americans will pay for this too...

next 9/11: why would anybody do this to us 🤡

sad reality many of us did not sign up to fund the genocide but AIPAC was able to infiltrated state and corpos from within while avoiding foreign agent registration.

our spooks are fucking useless...

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Never used it and never will, but maybe we can make Twitch become a slur?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago

TBH people should talk about zionism and zionists much more.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

This might be out of context for the article, but once we are in /c/technology get this: GIMP is a slur, and their slogan during startup is "we glitch because we twitch" which makes me want to kick them in the nuts every time I use the fucking software.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 hours ago

How about "genocidal assholes?" Can they still say that?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago

Good thing I'm an anti-zionist then I suppose.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (10 children)

Calling zionism what it is shouldn't be discouraged with dog whistles masquerading as conduct policies.

At the same time I'd like to remind folks that not all Jewish people subscribe to Zionism.

There are a couple Jewish lead organizations that fight for the freedom of Palestine and have been very critical of Israel for many years.

Jewish Voices for Peace is one group. I wonder how they'd feel about Twitches new policy. I'm genuinely curious what their opinion would be.

Edit - corrected Jewish Voices for Peace

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

At the same time I’d like to remind folks that not all Jewish people subscribe to Zionism.

Further to this, the majority of zionists are christians.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

I know there's a lot of Christians involved but how do we know it's the majority? Young Israelis are raised largely around Zionist propaganda after all.

[–] wpb 2 points 3 hours ago

There's about 100 million evangelical christians in the US, and a LifeWay poll in 2017 showed that about 80% essentially considered themselves zionists. That's 80 million. There's 15.8 million jews worldwide. So the non-Jewish zionists outweigh Jewish zionists by a fair margin. Heck, they outweigh the zionist and the non-zionist jews taken together by a beefy margin, even.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

the majority of zionists are christians.

us braindead fundies are numbered in dozens of millions and they largely support Zionism.

in rural US, radio glorifying genocide... it is very disturbing.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Is this why we should not delegate the control of hate speech to the state, because it will always blow up in our faces?

[–] offspec 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago

Sure it isn't. Let's review this when the state does the same thing lol.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Next, "apartheid" will be anti-Semitic.

[–] [email protected] 78 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Hey everybody has a right to a racist ethnostate how dare people criticize the idea.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

It's great how people are gathering and having discussions under heavily censored platforms owned by billionaries, just amazing.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Are they gonna lock up genocide joe for hate crimes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDR-tWM2zzU

[–] [email protected] 106 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Zionists really captured that platform.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 hours ago

Friendly reminder that selfhosted streaming exists (Owncast) or online alternatives like PeerTube.

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