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[–] [email protected] 46 points 11 months ago (1 children)

my area doesnt even have sidewalks

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 months ago

Because to them, 'car' and 'vehicle' mean the same thing.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Autonomous vehicles work better on rails. Also without having to deal with pedestrians.

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (28 children)

I find these discussions seem to be dominated by young urbanites. People who don't need a car to get around as opposed to the huge number of people who live in areas that require a car to function. They are also physically able to bike many miles every day in any weather.

I took public transportation when I lived in a big city and was glad to have it but anytime I needed to go beyond a limited area in the city I needed a car. Now I live in an area with very limited public transportation and very very little is in walking distance and biking for my needs is not an alternative. Frequently using 100% public transportation routes would increase your travel time by a large amount, time you may not have or want to sacrifice. If you live in country like France it seems like the transit unions have a stranglehold on the nation as they can shut down everyone at will, if you have a car you at least have an alternative. There are also breakdown issues, maintenance shutdowns, etc. You also run into the last mile issue a lot. Where you need to go is frequently not a reasonable distance from the stop. I usually needed a car to get to the train stations for instance.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (10 children)

huge number of people who live in areas that require a car to function

That is exactly the problem. Areas that require a car to function shouldn't exist. That's what those "young urbanites" are arguing for.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Bicycles are one of the most energy-efficient ways to travel, and electric ones even more so. But absolutely no one refers to them as "vehicles"...

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Because then they keep the "freedom" of driving, but without the guilt of pollution. That and, I mean, the community is called "fuck cars." Obviously someone not taking a closer look at the true root of what this community wants (city planning that isn't car-centric) would just think "but electric cars ain't bad."

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (15 children)

Because a train isn't going to drive me from home to anywhere that's not a train station.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (7 children)

instead of creating more car infrastructure we could make more train or tram/metro infrastructure to make sure there's always a station a walkable distance from where you want to be

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[–] FReddit 18 points 11 months ago (14 children)

Just an add here ... Pedestrian fatalities are up, largely due to huge vehicles in general. But EVs tend to be very heavy because of the batteries. So collisions tend to be very unpleasant.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

See and I get the opposite problem.

I wanted to buy an electric motorcycle since I use my old gas bike to make the same trip for work two times a month. The trip is 215 km and only goes though one town (about 45 km from one end). This is easy with most gas motorcycles and I thought that an EV version of a hwy cruiser should have no issue with say a 250 km range (since I stay the night I can charge from a slow plug).

Well let me tell you how frustrating "city" brain is about EVs. I mostly got e-bikes (like a bicycle) tossed at me, and the few that make the cut (Damon HyperSport, for example) are geared like a rocket and all the stats are based on city riding. 200 km max speed and no hwy gearing is stupid, but hey CITY CITY CITY! Where are the non insane vehicles? I don't want to ride a 0-60 in <3 second monster, I don't want to be curled up for 3 hours on a crotch rocket, and I don't want to deal with an app just to charge. We don't all live in your cities, some that do need to leave said cities, and until a normal non toy like EV vehicle hits the market the wider world will lump it all in the same bullshit pile.

I don't have the option for a public transit, hell they killed the trains and buses off even if I wanted to do the milk run.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

I can't wait for the REM (bottom left picture) to open, it's in less than a week!! After so many years, at last.

[–] DashboTreeFrog 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I just bought an electric motorbike, design is like a Vespa. I love it. Top speed kinda sucks but I love it. I'd love to take a train or bus instead but there is literally no line between my work and home that doesn't involve a longer walk than the ride itself.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

This video explains really well exactly why transit is better than cars: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=j4s9WDDRE2A

This one too: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=WiI1AcsJlYU

[–] Fried_out_Kombi 12 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I also like to point to this graphic:

Cars are just an insanely inefficient way to move people around in cities.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

I would like to provide this XKCD in case the last graphic was too helpful.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But you can't disrupt an industry without cars! The shareholders won't like that! /s

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[–] electrogamerman 5 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Wait, what about autonomous bicycles?

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