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[–] inv3r510n 19 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Too fucking late, maybe if no-path-to-win Warren didn’t stay in the primary race in 2020 we would of had sanders. But the democrats can’t run a primary without ratfucking it in favor of their corporate donors.

[–] BadmanDan 0 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Did Biden not receive more votes than Sanders?

[–] PugJesus 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Biden did, but a big controversy is that the moderates all dropped out around the same time to rally around Biden, while Warren, the other major progressive in the race, stayed in just long enough to fuck Bernie's chances. There's definitely some... ill feeling still there.

[–] BadmanDan -1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I mean even if you add up Bernie AND Warren’s votes together, Biden was still well ahead.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

You can't judge primary races like that. The final spread is irrelevant because of how the votes are spread out. The media calls it long before half the country has even voted, then the remaining votes always avalanche to the presumed winner.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

This kinda talk is the right kind, but at the wrong time.

We are well past the "You can vote fascism away" stage

[–] PugJesus 6 points 12 hours ago

Voting alone won't do it. But please remember, Pinochet was voted out.

We need to support local organization and action, because without that, the vote is powerless under a fascist regime. But the vote, combined with strong popular institutions, remains powerful in all but the most withered of fascist states.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I hate to say this, but it's too fucking late for any sort of electoral solution, at least on a national level. At this point we need to develop local capacity to secure our progressive enclaves in liberal states and big metropolitan areas. This means rooting out the conservative factions within our police and firing bad actors, as well as training community-based self-defense forces. We also need to build more effective local resilience and mutual aid networks so that the Federal government can't dangle emergency aid over us when pandemics and climate-related disasters recur, as they frequently will. We need politicians who will defend our territory, boundaries and values, and fight to discontinue the tremendous subsidy we pay to MAGA territories. We need more self-sufficient economies that trade primarily with healthy, rights-respecting economies in Canada and Europe. It's a heavy lift and unfortunately I don't see anyone up to the task right now, as even Bernie, Warren, and AOC are stubborn institutionalists who will continue trying to work within the system even as it works against them and their constituents.

[–] BadmanDan 2 points 14 hours ago

Bro, that state governments at local levels are as left leaning as they’ve ever been, yes they can be pushed more, but this theory of every Democrat being a corrupt neocon is laughable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

People who have built their entire career around attacking working and rigging the economy are not going to reverse their entire lives.

[–] BadmanDan 1 points 14 hours ago

How many Dems voted against the Child Tax Credit Extension this?

How many Dems voted against protecting Union Pensions in the last 4 years?

Which candidate this year ran on funding for first time home buyers?

Nonsense!

[–] Suavevillain 36 points 1 day ago (3 children)

They could have been doing this the whole time lol.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

They are still tied to the DNC Party Line, so that's why they haven't. This is also why the DNC cannot and will never be a Worker Party, it's organized like a business that sells policy to wealthy Capitalists.

[–] BadmanDan 0 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

How many Dems voted against the Child Tax Credit Extension this?

How many Dems voted against protecting Union Pensions in the last 4 years?

Which candidate this year ran on funding for first time home buyers?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
[–] BadmanDan 0 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

The original child tax credit passed when Biden had a majority, it failed this year.

Yes, Biden saved over 1.4m union pensions in 2021, when every Republican was against it.

And Kamala Harris did not get elected, so we’ll never know how the housing plan would’ve worked.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

So you picked a hodge-podge of random policies, most of which don't exist in any real capacity, to do what, exactly? Try to paint the DNC as a bottom-up Worker Party, and not the neoliberal party that exclusively serves its donors?

[–] BadmanDan -1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Moving the goal post again to fit your narrative. Ok

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

What goalpost? Legitimately, I have no idea what you're even trying to say here.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Then we never would have heard of them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

We might have heard how they're radicals, etc., before they disappeared.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago

Starting 40 years ago. They've been tripping over themselves to throat the Corporate dick for decades.

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