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Asking as someone from the other side of the planet.

From the things I saw about the US election, the Dems were the side with plans for the economy - minimum wage adjustments, unions, taxing the rich, etc. The Republicans didn't seem to have any concrete plans. At least, this is what I saw.

I don't doubt Bernie Sanders though - he seems like a straight truth teller. But what am I missing?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

There are two components to this question. Did many in the working class feel that Democrats had abandoned them? And is Trump's economic policy actually better for the working class than Harris's? I think the answers are "yes" and "probably no". However, voters don't listen to economists. If they're not happy with the status quo, they vote for disrupting the status quo even if experts tell them that that's a bad idea.

I suppose Sanders thinks that the working class would have supported a Democratic candidate who proposed a leftward (as opposed to Trump's rightward) disruption. My guess is that that isn't true and socialism is still a dirty word in America, but who knows?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

If you ask Americans about socialist policies without mentioning parties or ideology, then they overwhelmingly support them. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

The short of it is that "things are going fine" messaging doesn't work when things decidedly aren't going fine. When asked about the economy she said she wouldn't do much different from Biden. And yet she wouldn't even confirm or deny when asked whether she would keep Lina Khan. The DNC's messaging screamed "we're dishonest corporate stooges who won't give straight answers ", because they are and also incompetent. In the dismal state of the American economy today do you think that would get votes?

[–] Dead_or_Alive 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Identity politics, gun control, immigration, lagging economic recovery for labor, inflation and a distinct lack of ability to formulate a simple message. Sank Dems with the working class.

Policies are nice but most Americans don’t have a clue and don’t research anything.

Kamala spouted a bunch of policies and no message of hope. Trump had a bunch of headline grabbing antics and one liners. Guess which one wins with most Americans.

[–] BrokenGlepnir 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Identity politics? That's a republican issue. They bring it up. The most democrats do is block, but all the punches are thrown by the right in campaigns. I didn't even hear a gun control proposal this round.

[–] Dead_or_Alive 1 points 1 week ago

Did you happen to visit Kamala’s website during the election. She listed who she represented…. Black males, Latino Males, no mention of working class white peoples.

That is identity politics. If you wonder why white women voted for Trump, they did it for their sons who aren’t mentioned at all.

Both Kamala and Biden championed another assault weapons ban.

[–] masquenox 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How is this true?

No, it's not true. The liberals never had the working class' backs.

Liberalism fetishizes capitalism, remember?

I don’t doubt Bernie Sanders though - he seems like a straight truth teller.

He's not consciously lying - Bernie, like all liberals, actually believes you can (somehow) represent both the interests of the working class while also representing the interests of the capitalist class that is parasitizing off their labor. As any leftist will tell you, this is pure delusion.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm very intrigued by your definition of Liberalism. It doesn't correlate with liberalism across the world.

[–] masquenox 3 points 1 week ago (6 children)

It doesn’t correlate with liberalism across the world.

Really? Find me an anti-capitalist liberal. that should be very easy if this...

It doesn’t correlate with liberalism across the world.

...was the truth.

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 week ago

Of course you didn't provide your own. That's typical, sadly enough. We all know there are varying definitions, and if you're going to undercut someone else's, which may be a reasonable thing to do, why not bring yours to the table? ... But only if you care to continue the conversation.

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