It's understandable that things get tense at the end of this season and there is a lot of drama going on, but please be civil and respectful to each other. Discussion is great but no insults / xenophobic remarks as it does not lead to anything but frustration.
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I'm actually happy with this result. Seeing a time penalty for something that didn't give an advantage during the race would feel wrong to me.
Not gonna comment about the size of the fine because even "only" โฌ5,000 is such a large amount of money for most of us.
No, stop. You need to be angry and stir up xenophobic conspiracy theories!
Oh, shit, I knew I was doing something wrong. I'm so bad at being a sports fan! ๐ญ
A complete joke that McLaren, Merc, VCARB and Haas get off almost scott free for breaking the rules. It makes no sense to me that Hamilton got two 5 second penalties in Sochi 2020 for doing a practice start from the wrong spot in the pitlane but shit like this goes unpunished. At least the top 3 should have gotten time penalties because they are the ones who instigated it.
NOOOOO
Hamilton couldn't have been punished for this! It goes against the conspiracy theory!
So.checo gets 5 seconds.. but nothing here?
Checo got a sporting advantage. Norris didnt
Norris created a potential dangerous situation for Stewards, much worse than a sporting advantage.
Checo got a sporting advantage. Norris didnt
What about "judge the infraction, not the outcome" that gets repeatedly quoted when somebody was suffering a big crash but the guilty driver gets only 5 secs or so? Starting infraction is starting infraction.
When a driver speeds in the pit lane during practice they only get a fine but when they speed during the race (when they gain a sporting advantage) they get a time penalty and it's the exact same infraction. You say starting infraction as if the two cases are the same but they're not.
When a driver speeds in the pit lane during practice they only get a fin
Maybe bring up that example when Norris runs a red light in free practice, not during the race session.
Sporting advantage is not the only criteria involved when dishing out penalties as we saw with Bearman's penalty today. He was the one who spun because of the contact and yet he was the one who was punished because the contact was his fault
Kind of a weak fine if you compare it to Verstappen's 50.000 fine for touching a rear wing a couple of years ago.
People have received up to 1 minute penalties for similar starting infringements back in the 90ies.. so yeah it is weak
Absolutely. LeClerc was fined โฌ5000 (+โฌ5000 suspended) for using profanity outside the track. Profanities are now more severely punished than illegally driving on a track while stewards and a driver are walking around.
Yesterday a team provisionally earned โฌ30,000,000. A fine of โฌ50,000 is a joke when compared to rewards like that. If touching a competitor's car provides information that makes you win races, it is absolutely worth it. See https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/the-mercedes-rear-wing-marks-behind-red-bulls-suspicions/6799537/ and https://www.racefans.net/2021/11/13/verstappen-fined-e50000-as-stewards-rule-he-did-no-direct-harm-touching-hamiltons-rear-wing/
The result wouldn't have changed much even with all the guilty parties rightfully recieving a 5 sec penalty. Russell would still be ~~3rd~~ 4th, Norris would still be 6th, Yuki would still be 7th, piastri would still be 8th and ollie would still be 12th. The only beneficiary would be perez who would move upto 9th after the penalties for lawson and lewis who would drop to 10th and 11th respectively.
Man there's a lot of xenophobic conspiracy theorists in this comment section lmao
Didn't know Johnny Herbert was the secret god-emperor of the FIA and F1 either, that was news to me
Should've been a usual starting infringement 5s penalty. Stewarding has been awful this weekend.
This reminds me of Baku a few years ago where basically everyone aside from Hamilton ignored yellow flags, and rather than punish everyone who broke rules (that are of course in place for safety reasons!), they had an attitude of "well, if enough people do it we won't punish them".
Stewarding has been awful this weekend.
Johnny Herbert was a steward again, so that was kind of expected.
He was last week and it was mostly fine, aside from Max not being punished for T8, which was actually a more egregious incident than his T4 antics.
Why no answer? Don't have one?
Max has the right passport
Hello? Just ignoring all the stuff that goes in Max's way?
He has the right passport ๐ณ๐ฑ
Came looking for this. Thanks OP.
