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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Picking Badenoch is such an own goal, left leaning and moderate people don't like her because of the far-right culture war rhetoric and she's very unpopular with the Reform voters she's suppose to win back.

[–] Jackthelad 12 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

To be fair, when would a Conservative leader ever appeal to someone who is "left-leaning"?

[–] Skullgrid 13 points 3 weeks ago

the big society tories make some mealy mouthed "commitments" to recognising there is a problem, like Cameron.

NB : I am not saying he did things well, I am saying he at least tried to pay lip service

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There's plenty of conservative voters who are not raging racists. At least there used to be, since there isn't much space for them in the party anymore they've gone to the Lib Dems for the most part

[–] Jackthelad -1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The vast majority of voters for both main parties are not racist.

I mean, Conservative members (who are generally more right-wing than the electorate) have literally just voted for a black woman as leader over a guy throwing all the red meat he possibly could at them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

Supporting Thatcher didn't make the Tory membership suddenly stop being sexist, and choosing Badenoch isn't going to stop them being racist. In both cases "except her, she's one of the good ones" is all they need to say.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Human nature is a lot more complicated than you think. Badenoch as a black woman, has managed to be both racist and misogynistic, while not seeing any issue with that.

If a black woman can be racist then I guess the conservative electorate are okay with that. For now anyway, I still have my doubts about her long-term survival.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

her and wes streeting can have a contest to see who can kill the most trans kids

[–] Skullgrid 8 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

My congratulations go to the reform party and Nigel Farage, probable prime minister like 10 years from now.

[–] Jackthelad 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The chance of this happening is remarkably close to zero.

[–] HowManyNimons 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I remember thinking the same about Johnson once.

[–] Jackthelad 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Johnson was in one of the main two parties and a popular figure (for some reason).

Farage is neither of these.

[–] HowManyNimons 4 points 3 weeks ago

Have you forgotten that we're in the Stupidest Timeline? You've forgotten haven't you?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

I think the main difference is that Johnson has always had aspirations of being bigger and greater. He will destroy anything if it means the chance to grab more power.

Farage is more like Sinn Fein, just a complete blocker to any progress for anyone else.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

No he won't. They've got four seats, one of which doesn't really count because his support is just a holdover from him being a conservative, that's not exactly the makings of a political dynasty.

Also can Nigel Farage even be arsed?

[–] gedhrel 1 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe half that time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

So Rwanda's "very lovely gap years" are back on the menu.

In the words of the late Molly Ivins, one of the best political columnists in the U.S.: "The first rule of holes. When you're in one, stop digging."