It’s already really difficult to engage with the content you want to see, but now they’re also taking away the only immediately noticeable metric of a successful video? Genuinely just why
this post was submitted on 29 Oct 2024
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They removed the star system a long time ago. They removed the down votes again a few years back.
They want their algorithm to be the only thing that decides whether you watch a video or not.
That'll work excellent for all those people trying to find tutorial videos for 'XYZ' when you have no verification data to determine whether it's even a legit tutorial.
People who watch tutorial videos only get on, watch the video and then leave. How are they supposed to make tons of advertising revenue from that? No, we must sacrifice that class of video from the platform, in pursuit of the almighty dollar.
I mean you joke, but they're literally doing that to reaction video channels. MXRPlays had his entire channel deleted, despite having millions of subscribers. It was clear for years that someone at youtube had a grudge against them.
Especially since they deleted their channel. Gave strikes to all their videos, and took the videos down. Buuuuuuut, someone ELSE illegally reuploaded their content, and they can't even report the video because their channel is deleted. The illegal re-uploads have no strikes, no issues, the content stay up, and some OTHER person makes money off of MXRPlays years old content.
the content creator isn't following the proper system then. You don't need YouTube to do a copyright/IP violation claim. Google is actually opening themselves up to significantly hot water if they are indeed refusing to allow a process for DMCA on creators that are deleted off the platform, as there are severe penalties for not reacting to a DMCA claim when you are a content provider.
If they actually owned the rights to the videos, that creators first step when learning that Youtube is not going to do anything about the violation, is to manually file it themselves, and honestly they should state that Youtube at that point is intentionally allowing it which would perhaps pull Youtube into it as well
just because YouTube decides that they aren't going to do anything, doesn't invalidate your claim to copyright. I'm surprised that the channel hasn't seeked legal action against anyone regarding it.
My two cents on the matter is that it's likely the channel is worried that their videos aren't transformative enough fair use wise and that they themselves may get into legal troubles if they attempted to. A lot of commentary artists stay borderline on fair-use and not fair use, however if this was not the case, they have a pretty decent chance of winning that suit.
Oh, if you follow the channel, it's CLEAR someone, probably just the one person, has a clear vendetta against Henry And Jeannie (MXRPlays). They used to know one person at youtube. So when they'd get their channel strike, they'd email him, and he'd review what the strike was for.
It was stuff like "Advocating child harm".
The guy would look at the video in question, and see no evidence of that. No children in the video. No discussions of child harm. Any human without a grudge could see it was a false autobot ID. So he would remove the strike. Then the next day, the strike would be back. He'd email the guy, and the guy would look through the logs, and find it was done by a human working for youtube. He'd remove the strike again, but he'd tell them "I can't remove it again. If he puts the strike back, it goes above me. Then the strike would be put back.....and it would have to be waited out. The strike stays on your account I think they said 30 days. And if you get 3 strikes at the same time, the channel gets suspended.
So they wouldn't upload any more videos, and then 3 days later they'd get another strike on a video that was 4 years old. Clearly not a bot, since bots generally don't seek out old content with no activity.
And the same situation would ensue. They hung on, and kept doing this cat and mouse game for 8 years. Until the guy they knew at youtube left the company. And then they had no one to delete strikes. Any calls to anyone at youtube were ignored. And the channel wasn't even suspended, it was terminated.
And when this other guy is reuploading their old stuff on his own personal channel, youtube says they have no way to DMCA it because the original source file, the proof that he has to say it's his content, was deleted. Because his channel was terminated.
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LOL. You clearly have never heard of G.A.S. (gear acquisition syndrome). You get on YouTube to learn how to play guitar and next thing you know you've bought three guitars, a closet full of pedals, amps, amp modelers, etc., and you still don't know how to play.
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Just trust the algorithm, bro!
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Too hard to manipulate the algorithm with ai spam, disguised ads and propaganda if users can see all the videos at the top of their recommended feed have 20 views.
You must only view what the Corporation approves.
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They want to decide what you like and don't like. You WILL watch what THEY show you.
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YT Exec - /rips massive line of coke off Intern's ass/ - "Remove View Count"
YT Engineer - "But Sir, users will hate that. It will actively make the user experience worse"
YT Exec - "That's the goddamn point!"
Intern - "You could at least give me reacharound while you're doing that"
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sounds like another job for the return youtube dislikes guy
Seems like a sure way to lose my engagement. I don't understand what Google thinks they're getting out of this except for flooding you with more ads between video recommendations at the cost of people actually watching anything and using the damn website.
Between removing the dislike counter, a defect search bar that shoves garbage down your throat, recommendations of decreasing quality on my end and shorts (which I hesitantly gave a try but ultimately lost all interest in because it remained mostly low effort content despite my efforts to train my algorithm), this is just another reason why I find myself spending more time enjoying other things lately.
Maybe I am just out of touch, but I smell another bubble bursting when I look at how enshittified all major web services are simultaneously becoming.
Maybe I am just out of touch, but I smell another bubble bursting when I look at how enshittified all major web services are simultaneously becoming.
It feels like something has to give, right?
We have YouTube, Reddit, Twitter, and more just racing to enshittify like I can't even believe, Google Search is racing to destroy the internet, yet they're also at the 'critical mass' of 'too big to fail' and shoved out all their major competitors already (other than Discord I guess).
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In 5 years:
Youtube tests small ads in the top corner during video playback.
In 10 years:
Youtube tests small increase in size of well established corner ads.
In 15 years:
Youtube graciously allows video playback inbetween ads
In 20 years, "YouTube was an online video sharing platform...."
I doubt they can make it to the next 20 years, the way they are controlling everything.
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Next What???? Removing Title, Only Thumbnail.
It's currently a race-to-the-bottom in big IT & tech, where they don't look how they get you to like them but how much they can get away with, without repelling most of their userbase.
In this case YouTube can do literally anything they want due to the lack of real alternatives. Hosting videos for free, for anyone (and any number of viewers) to watch, for free, is rather predictably not a very profitable business model. If you want to see what it takes to actually be profitable with such a model, look at the average free porn site. Extremely intrusive ads everywhere. If you don't want to pay, and ads are the only revenue, advertisers are the customer, not you.
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YouTube/Google and hiding data from the end-user, name a better duo.
Not to mention their “1080p” streams look worse than 2013 480p streams. The site is a dumpster fire.
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Return youtube view counts, coming soon
this would essentially kill my method of viewing videos on the platform, this isn't a boost to interaction they think it will be, it will ultimately result in me watching less videos as I won't have the ability to decipher trash from good, so I'll just stick with content creators that I am used to and no longer branch out like I currently do.
Odyssey is all fascists and crypto bros
Rumble isn't any better. It's where my dad gets his COVID conspiracy material after folks got kicked off other platforms.
Isn't rumble the same? Lul what the fuck is going on with the world.
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Who makes these retarded decisions?
MBAs
As someone who tries to regularly post videos on YouTube I think this would help me, since I'm sure many people (including me, unfortunately) avoid low view count videos.
But I can absolutely understand why you wouldn't want it hidden. I'm sure this will lead to major misinformation clickbaiting (as if that isn't already a problem!), but I believe that the view count will still be visible on the view page.
Is YouTube doing it with small creators actually in mind? Who knows, other than them?
Edit: I do want to clarify that I think hiding the date it was posted is just strange and would probably only lead to problems
I don’t like this idea for the opposite reason. I'm one of the people who are suspicious of videos with millions of views since most of them look manufactured. We all use view counts to gauge if a video is something we’re after, probably in more ways than we can come up with.
If it gives you any encouragement - I’m not discouraged by view counts. I know I like niche stuff and give small channels a try. It’s a chance at having more genuine interaction. As long as a video is not off-putting due to bad diction or very bad production then I’m not going to back out and see what it is about. This can work to your advantage too.
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I don't understand why they on such a self destruct path?! I already barely use this fucking platform anymore because of how shitty it has become already, and now they want to bait me into watching some low views garbage on top of all that? WHY?!
Because when you get pissed off at one shitty video and click off it to find a better one, that's free real estate in which to double your ads.
And what are you gonna do? Go to Peertube? YouTube is too gigantic to have a real competitor no matter how much we try. It is a beast so massive and bloated at this point that we just can't kill it without legislative interference. And Google knows damn well that they're basically the only game in town so they aren't afraid of significant user backlash.
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Lmfao, fuck it, why not remove titles, tags and the searchbar too if you only want them to watch the videos your algo hand picks.
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Thanks Youtube, I hate it. Like I can see some arguments for taking away the view counter, even if I think it's a bad decision. But the date the video was uploaded? Who does that even help? I guess Youtubers will either need to start properly dating their videos or we'll just have to use context clues to figure out when a video was uploaded.
But the date the video was uploaded? Who does that even help?
There's gaming content that expires within a month, especially with frequent balance and other game changes, like with League of Legends. I won't watch a video that's weeks old because what's being featured probably doesn't work anymore after a patch.
Time for Peertube
How about you test marking videos as watched across devices so I don’t have the same shit pushed back at me all the time.
HOW ABOUT YOU STOP SHOWING ME ALREADY WATCHED VIDEOS IN GENERAL?! Why fill my home feed with shit I've seen already? I literally have to click (...), click (not interested), click (why?), click (I've already seen the video) FOR EVER SINGLE VIDEO I EVER WATCHED ON YT.
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Why? Is everything going to shit? Like counts, view counts, dislikes .. I suppose it won't change anything for me on reVanced, but still.. why?
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In the future you’ll pay $900/mo to stare at a blank page.
And you’ll have to because all the free sites are entirely ads.
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Ok, this one is really stupid. Dislikes? Ok. Views? Fuck all the way off, Google.
You know why they might be hiding upload dates? My theory is, Youtube doesn’t really want you looking at new stuff. (Very apparent by the algorithm) they want you looking at specific news stories, and specific content but not constantly seeking new uploads from independents.
But that is just a theory a plain theory. Thanks for watching.
I hate how now when I watch a bunch of videos from a creator, my YouTube feed ends up only having that creators videos, like yeah I'm enjoying this person, but I do like to watch other things as well.
It feels like I'm being forced into an echo chamber.
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