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I sometimes wonder, if a kid in this position grows up and gets out of the crazy conspiracy theories, what process would they even have to go to to get identification documents and such, given they'd have basically none of the expected ones used to prove identity
Unless it was a home birth with no accredited midwife, they should have a birth certificate somewhere. You can pay for a copy from your state generally. With that, you can painfully get the rest.
No birth certificate? Things get harder.
Some states and counties require by law that children be enrolled in public school, even if they are later withdrawn for home schooling, so their existence is probably verifiable. Unless, as someone else stated, they were born on a compound somewhere.
Sovcit nonsense aside, is it not insane they're asking for a 13 year old's SIN to run a background check? And if he doesn't have a SIN or government ID, he probably wouldn't show up on a background check.
It's not a background check. It's a requirement for tax purposes for the employment of the child. A paranoid delusion of the parent.
Ah, paranoid parent makes more sense. I don't live in the states so I assume everything is child-arresting, cousin-soaking bonkers there.
Most people wouldn't think of it, it's not you. I recognize it because I know people like this. Have a good one.
If the role has the potential for you to work will vulnerable persons you have to run a background check.
Way to go, asshole. Your son will learn to hate you.
Unless they're a true believer. It's literally a coin toss. Especially if they never leave the compound to socialize with other kids and their parents. I know some kids like that. Well, they're in their early 20's now. Homeschooled, only socialized with their parents, family, and the parent's/family's friends 99% of their lives. They may as well be aliens, the extraterrestrial kind. They are going to have a hard life when their parents die.
Well sovcits are so good at fucking up lives, it's become a family tradition.
That the kids never asked for. This is abuse. The kind that cripples them socially, and financially.
They can attempt to get him an ITIN but they have to swear under perjury that he isn’t eligible for an SSN in the application with the IRS. Obviously this sovcit parent will do that if they could. I don’t think they will immediately feel any consequences, but that will definitely mess up their son’s retirement benefits.
These people, like the unschooling people, the flat earth people, lunatic conspiracy theorists, blatantly amoral and sociopathic influencers, grifters, scammers, etc., are malignant narcissists. They think they're smarter than everyone else, better than everyone else, and that rules don't apply to them. They. Are. Special. We all have a little narcissism, or you wouldn't care about yourself at all. But these people are mentally ill, and a danger to everyone around them, especially their children.
Malignant Narcissism (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) is a psychological defense mechanism against a very deep, and very strong inferiority complex developed due to neglect (a form of abuse) in childhood. Hence the creation of a false strong, confident, and superior persona (in their minds.) Everything is done to promote that persona, and to avoid embarrassment or humiliation at any cost. Those will drive them into a sometimes psychotic rage. They crave the attention they were starved of as children, and have never gotten over the trauma and damage of that. They do whatever it takes to get the attention they crave, one way or the other.
The children of these people are nothing but extensions of themselves, in the narcissist's mind. Sentient phantom limbs, and are judged by how they reflect on the parent, themselves. The children's desires and well being are not concerns, and the narcissist goes through the motions they have learned from observation that are considered acceptable, and respectable, in general culture, in the treatment of their children. It's an act, they are incapable of empathy, truly incapable of caring about anything more than themselves, and these children grow up damaged.
As the son of one of these people, I know what I'm talking about. These children should be taken away from the parents.
Kids don't theoretically need a SSN and they can apply for their own at 18. But it makes things unnecessarily hard.
They can't be legally employed without one. They can work for cash, sure, but that only works for basic manual labor or highly illegal activities (drugs, weapons, theft rings, illegal exotic animal sales, etc.)
Maybe he can work with animals by smuggling them to other countries in his pants.
The wonderful thing is that he officials himself as a 'national' and wants an US passport. Those are generally associated with citizenship.